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April 06, 2019 at
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I keep seeing a trend where car counts seem to be going down,down, down. Or in the case of my area- eastern South Dakota- gone, gone, gone. But every time that subject comes up, it's pointed out that Ohio car counts are healthy and possibly growing.
What's Ohio got going for it that other places don't? What's Ohio doing right? In a related question, what are the Ohio tracks and facilities like? Big, small, old, new?
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April 06, 2019 at
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In my humble opinion:
1) smaller tracks where engine isn't as important,
2) a local point fund that supports the local racers,
3) the ASCOC is a big deal around that area, and locals can compete with them without breaking the bank, it's not like Posse owners going bankrupt competing with the WoO,
are some of the things they have going for it.
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April 06, 2019 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on April 06 2019 at 09:24:11 AM
In my humble opinion:
1) smaller tracks where engine isn't as important,
2) a local point fund that supports the local racers,
3) the ASCOC is a big deal around that area, and locals can compete with them without breaking the bank, it's not like Posse owners going bankrupt competing with the WoO,
are some of the things they have going for it.
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^^^^^^ That!
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April 06, 2019 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on April 06 2019 at 09:24:11 AM
In my humble opinion:
1) smaller tracks where engine isn't as important,
2) a local point fund that supports the local racers,
3) the ASCOC is a big deal around that area, and locals can compete with them without breaking the bank, it's not like Posse owners going bankrupt competing with the WoO,
are some of the things they have going for it.
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All very good points. I think Ohio only has two winged divisions, 410 and 305. Pa has 410, 358/360, 305, and super sportsman.
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April 06, 2019 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on April 06 2019 at 09:24:11 AM
In my humble opinion:
1) smaller tracks where engine isn't as important,
2) a local point fund that supports the local racers,
3) the ASCOC is a big deal around that area, and locals can compete with them without breaking the bank, it's not like Posse owners going bankrupt competing with the WoO,
are some of the things they have going for it.
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100% this. Plus I'd add in that Railfan33 was correct that PA has too many divisions of sprint cars. Being from PA, I envy what they have in Ohio. Never thought I'd say that but it's true. Just look at their speedweek vs. our so called speedweek and compare car counts & quality. Ours isn't even close most years.
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Fixxxer, you think the quality of cars are better in ohio ? Pa's problem is the big 3 1/2 mile tracks are motor killers. I will say this the pa speedweeks schedule is terrible. Dropping path valley is a mistake. Not including lernerville is a mistake for various reasons. Why they won't look at some of the other tracks in pa is beyond me.
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April 06, 2019 at
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Posted By: fiXXXer on April 06 2019 at 11:58:53 AM
100% this. Plus I'd add in that Railfan33 was correct that PA has too many divisions of sprint cars. Being from PA, I envy what they have in Ohio. Never thought I'd say that but it's true. Just look at their speedweek vs. our so called speedweek and compare car counts & quality. Ours isn't even close most years.
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Folks may not agree, but IMO Ohio benefits from geography particularly for the big shows (allstars, speedweek, WoO). Ohio will draw teams from the Midwest, but few of those teams trek east of Lernerville for central Pa shows.
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April 06, 2019 at
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There are 360's in Ohio albeit small. Attica & Fremont run 410's & 305's for point fund & the old FAST which is now AFSC or AFCS ( Help me out here Duane ) that is extra contingencies throughout the year & also a small point fund. Oh yeah it was started by Duane Hancock.
Aaron Fry bought the FAST name & will be running it in & around Ohio & that will also be like BOSS ( The Non Wing Series ) these are regional series
Bryan Autullo (Sp) who has a Message board called Pitgate started FAST awhile back & sold it to Rich Farmer who ran Fremont.
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April 06, 2019 at
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Posted By: alum.427 on April 06 2019 at 12:49:58 PM
Fixxxer, you think the quality of cars are better in ohio ? Pa's problem is the big 3 1/2 mile tracks are motor killers. I will say this the pa speedweeks schedule is terrible. Dropping path valley is a mistake. Not including lernerville is a mistake for various reasons. Why they won't look at some of the other tracks in pa is beyond me.
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Week to week quality is debatable but I'd say it's no worse than ours right now. I was talking about their speedweek fields in particular. Their speedweek blows ours out of the water in every phase of the game including the overall quality if the fields. I agree regarding the speedweek schedule. Ours is quickly becoming little more than a monopoly for the 3 regular 410 tracks.
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Just came home from Port Royal. 24 Super Latemodels, 30 410's 43 305's. Three nonstop features with good racing in all of them. That sure was depressing. I would guess Lincoln had desent car counts also. Yea you are going to say there are still some outside cars here but there are also some locals not out yet.
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April 07, 2019 at
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Agree fixxxer. From a fan's perspective, ohio speedweeks is a much better deal.
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April 07, 2019 at
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Track proximity, smaller track sizes and regularly sanctioned events with the ASCoC, FAST, AFCS, OVSCA, BOSS, etc.
Fremont is only a 2 hour drive to Wayne County and Attica is directly between the two.
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April 07, 2019 at
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I would have to say another benefit in Ohio is tracks really try to work together. There are several nights certain tracks are not racing due to the other track having a big show. Outside of Knoxville and maybe Williams Grove, I would say the point funds and weekly purse up for grabs between Attica, Fremont and AFCS are second to none. Guys can choose just one to run or run all three for Northern Ohio. As for Southern Ohio you have a solid base at Atomic and then add in the other regional series OVSCS, FAST, there are a lot of races to choose from.
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April 07, 2019 at
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Northern Ohio has things going a little bit better than southern Ohio. All because of the reasons above & it seems the promoters have good relationships with sanctioning bodies, racers, sponsors, racers, and other promoters.
Southern Ohio basically only has Atomic going on but it's mostly an economic situation down there more than a racing situation. There really is no other track running sprints on a weekly basis down there especially on a Friday. Tracks have tried to run like skyline but I am not sure many people in that region have the disposable income to go to the track on a regular basis to keep it open. And what disposable income they do have they spend on other non-legal commodities
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April 08, 2019 at
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Ohio has many tracks to choose from so all drivers have a wide variety to chose from based on location and payouts.
Drivers can pick the track they feel they have the best chance at.
Many drivers visit so many of the tracks to get the driving experience. PA has always seemed more of the engines winning the race on the big tracks.
The top notch Ohio tracks keep reinvesting into their facilities.
Eldora, Wayne County, Attica, Atomic, Fremont, Sharon, Mansfield.
Mansfield Motor Speedway reopened as a special events track. The new promoter and his staff do upgrades each year and this track has an amazing facility. They have ASCOC, LUCAS OIL LATES and their own specials with high $ payouts.
Wayne County Speedway has come back from the dead to being modernized each year. They have 5 ASCOC shows, WoO Lates, OVSCS, FAST.
Fremont regained an ASCOC show.
Attica and Fremont have their own series so drivers dont travel away from them.
FAST, BOSS and OVSCS are smaller groups but are building up quite impressive point funds.
Frankly you can have an impressive list of tracks to go to in reasonable drive times.
The tracks for as much as they can do seem to work together around some of the scheduling.
Different crowds between Northern and Southern Ohio.
Southern Ohio is more late model, modifieds, street stock territory and not so much sprints and tracks in this area seem to open and close quite often. Atomic seems to be the only exception.
Northern Ohio is majority sprint car territory with late models being the choice to run with sprints.
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April 08, 2019 at
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April 08, 2019 at
02:13:39 PM by Duane Hancock
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Posted By: sprintcarfanatic on April 06 2019 at 08:34:27 PM
There are 360's in Ohio albeit small. Attica & Fremont run 410's & 305's for point fund & the old FAST which is now AFSC or AFCS ( Help me out here Duane ) that is extra contingencies throughout the year & also a small point fund. Oh yeah it was started by Duane Hancock.
Aaron Fry bought the FAST name & will be running it in & around Ohio & that will also be like BOSS ( The Non Wing Series ) these are regional series
Bryan Autullo (Sp) who has a Message board called Pitgate started FAST awhile back & sold it to Rich Farmer who ran Fremont.
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Thanks for the shout out! Sorry was gone racing all weekend and just seen the post. Yes sir, the AFCS series (Attica Fremont Championship Series) is up to over $47,000 for 410s in cash and awards this season for an 18 race schedule and the 305s just over $18,000 in cash and awards for a 14 race schedule. PLUS, both track points funds. We kick things off this weekend April 12&13 at Attica and Fremont
Life's short, race hard!!!
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April 09, 2019 at
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I think one of the biggest issues with PA Speedweek vs. Ohio Speedweek is the lack of the All Stars sanction. Ohio Speedweek has the benefit of a guaranteed 15 cars from the All Stars so they can travel all over the state and not worry about distance between tracks, etc. With so few guys actually running all of Speedweek in PA I could see the majority of Central PA teams skipping an event at Lernerville, or PPMS if one were scheduled. If the race were to occur on a weekday I could realistically see less than a full field attending. The All Stars would definitely boost PA Speedweek but I think the big 3 probably don't want to cede that much control to an outside entity.
The biggest thing that helps OH racing overall though is the track sizes or lack thereof. You can actually be semi competitive with a 12 degree engine there. In PA you probably have to race Lincoln and probably need to wait until mid season before you really are going to have a reliable chance to win or finish good. Overall I think the sprint car racing situation in Ohio caters to affordability. Which is quite a bit different than here in PA. But I'm happy with the racing scene here in PA, I wish that Attica and Fremont were on one of these weekly subscription plans though because I would love to follow the racing in Ohio weekly as well.
Thanks,
Jeff.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on April 06 2019 at 09:24:11 AM
In my humble opinion:
1) smaller tracks where engine isn't as important,
2) a local point fund that supports the local racers,
3) the ASCOC is a big deal around that area, and locals can compete with them without breaking the bank, it's not like Posse owners going bankrupt competing with the WoO,
are some of the things they have going for it.
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Off the top of my head, when I think of Ohio and sprint car racing, I think of Eldora- a pretty good sized, motor track.
By smaller track, are you saying 3/8, smaller than that? Out of curiosity, are the tracks more likely to have open corners or be walled in? How 'bout banking?
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April 09, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on April 09 2019 at 12:54:35 PM
Off the top of my head, when I think of Ohio and sprint car racing, I think of Eldora- a pretty good sized, motor track.
By smaller track, are you saying 3/8, smaller than that? Out of curiosity, are the tracks more likely to have open corners or be walled in? How 'bout banking?
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Eldora and maybe Mansfield would be the only two motor tracks in Ohio. The tracks that run sprints consistently or on a weekly basis would be Attica, Fremont, Wayne County, Atomic, Lima (when it doesn't rain & just 360).
I am not sure how big Fremont is maybe a 1/3 with not a lot of banking, Attica is a 1/3mil banked, Wayne County is 3/8 mile banked, Atomic is 3/8 mile high banked, Lima 1/4 mile banked, and Waynesfield that only has 4 races this year is 1/3mile banked. The only track out of all of those that is walled in completely is Lima. All others are either half walled in or have run-offs like Attica & Fremont.
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April 09, 2019 at
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Posted By: Murphy on April 09 2019 at 12:54:35 PM
Off the top of my head, when I think of Ohio and sprint car racing, I think of Eldora- a pretty good sized, motor track.
By smaller track, are you saying 3/8, smaller than that? Out of curiosity, are the tracks more likely to have open corners or be walled in? How 'bout banking?
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When it comes to weekly 410 racing in Ohio, its Attica, Fremont, Wayne Co., Atomic, and Sharon. I believe Attica is 1/3, Fremont, Wayne Co., Atomic, and Sharon are all 3/8. Most have significant banking... I'd say Fremont and Sharon have the least banking. Attica probably has the most "run-off" area.. The rest are moderately walled in. Atomic is the only track I've never been so I can't say for sure about there.
Then Ohio has its more well-known 1/2 miles; Eldora and Mansfield, neither hosts weekly sprint car racing. Mainly big events like WoO, Kings Royal, 4-crown, Sprint Car World Championship, and ASCoC speedweek shows.
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