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LRACE5
July 24, 2017 at 08:21:22 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks they could have gotten the A-main in on Sat nite? The fine mist of rain was over about 15 min after they pulled the plug. Never sent the push trucks out to keep the track run in.I've seen them run til 2:00 am when thet wanted to get a show in. Was this a business decision because the crowd was down due to threatening weather?If so, it will hurt them in the long run because more people will stay home when the weather forcast is iffy. jmo




blazer00
July 24, 2017 at 10:49:57 AM
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Posted By: LRACE5 on July 24 2017 at 08:21:22 AM

Am I the only one who thinks they could have gotten the A-main in on Sat nite? The fine mist of rain was over about 15 min after they pulled the plug. Never sent the push trucks out to keep the track run in.I've seen them run til 2:00 am when thet wanted to get a show in. Was this a business decision because the crowd was down due to threatening weather?If so, it will hurt them in the long run because more people will stay home when the weather forcast is iffy. jmo



Now though, the crowd for the 28th of Sept. will get a double Feature event. Probably makes it better for ticket sales at that event.



bgtexpress
July 24, 2017 at 11:18:35 AM
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I think it had to do more with the Outlaws being scheduled for the next day at Ramsonville Speedway some 7 hours away ( only to get rained out there as well ). Do I think they could have at least kept the push trucks on the track yes.... Although we thought the same thing at the time, I can't get too upset with Williams Grove management, they were caught in a tough spot the whole night. I will be back and will get my money's worth on September 28th.




Dollanskyfan1.1
July 24, 2017 at 11:43:25 AM
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They could have easily!! They took forever to pack the track, hot laps took forever and qualifying was slow....then they "realize" that weather is gonna be an issue (huh?) And hurry through the program until the A main. Then wait through a rain delay which was a drizzle and then call it. I was VERY disappointed! 


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Dollanskyfan1.1
July 24, 2017 at 11:45:22 AM
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I wont be back on the 28th, so it is a wate for me... I am 6 1/2 hours away. Did stay in Mechanicsburg though and had a late lunch at a Restaurant called the Black and Bleu, it was AMAZINGLY good!!


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csracing72c
July 24, 2017 at 01:02:20 PM
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Weather puts most tracks in a no win situation. 




microsprint6
July 24, 2017 at 01:26:08 PM
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I have never bashed the Grove or its management and there are times they propbably deserve it.  However it is going to be hard to go back after what took place Friday night.  They ran through the heats as fast as possible, didn't run a c-main (not sure if the car count was there for it or not but the announcer kept saying c-main during the heats). Got the show to the point where they didn't have to accept any rain checks and canceled.  It was drizzling and would probably have taken a little bit of time to run in but the track looked pretty sealed from the very beginning of the night.  It was 9:30 when the "rain" hit, so maybe an hour or so to get the track back and the feature would have been 11ish, still not bad.  Seemed like a bad faith effort on the part of Williams Grove and World of Outlaws (not sure who made the call).  A lot of people went out and paid the money to see the show knowing that the chance of rain was there but still did so.  For the track to not make any effort to get the show for the fans that showed up was terrible in my opinion.  

 

A very easy solution would be to give the people who did show up a discount at the make-up event, not saying let them in for free but maybe a $ 10 discount.  That would at least show some kind of appreciation for the people that showed up.  They shouldn't get a free ticket because there will be another complete show but some kind of good faith would be great. Now I know I have a better chance of seeing the Easter Bunny then this happening but it would be nice.  $ 30 to watch heat races and a consi is not a great value and for the track to cancel so easily is not going to sit well with a lot of people.



fiXXXer
July 24, 2017 at 03:29:25 PM
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Posted By: microsprint6 on July 24 2017 at 01:26:08 PM

I have never bashed the Grove or its management and there are times they propbably deserve it.  However it is going to be hard to go back after what took place Friday night.  They ran through the heats as fast as possible, didn't run a c-main (not sure if the car count was there for it or not but the announcer kept saying c-main during the heats). Got the show to the point where they didn't have to accept any rain checks and canceled.  It was drizzling and would probably have taken a little bit of time to run in but the track looked pretty sealed from the very beginning of the night.  It was 9:30 when the "rain" hit, so maybe an hour or so to get the track back and the feature would have been 11ish, still not bad.  Seemed like a bad faith effort on the part of Williams Grove and World of Outlaws (not sure who made the call).  A lot of people went out and paid the money to see the show knowing that the chance of rain was there but still did so.  For the track to not make any effort to get the show for the fans that showed up was terrible in my opinion.  

 

A very easy solution would be to give the people who did show up a discount at the make-up event, not saying let them in for free but maybe a $ 10 discount.  That would at least show some kind of appreciation for the people that showed up.  They shouldn't get a free ticket because there will be another complete show but some kind of good faith would be great. Now I know I have a better chance of seeing the Easter Bunny then this happening but it would be nice.  $ 30 to watch heat races and a consi is not a great value and for the track to cancel so easily is not going to sit well with a lot of people.



You hit the nail on the head. I was there until almost 2am. We went out to my friends camper, built a fire, grilled some dogs and just hung out for awhile and it never rained another drop. When it was done, the ground was barely wet and track wasn't in bad condition at all. They EASILY could've finished the show and in my opinion, they should've. If you open the gates and sell tickets, you owe it to your customers to provide the product that they paid for if at all possible. I understand that they had a race in New York the next day but that is no excuse. If you own a restaurant, you don't serve shitty food to the people who are there today because you think you'll get a much better crowd tomorrow. They pissed a lot of people off including myself. 



dsc1600
July 24, 2017 at 04:06:33 PM
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How was the crowd? I couldn't make it so I'm psyched to see 2 features but I can see the folks that were there being mad.




armyduke
July 24, 2017 at 04:48:23 PM
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So many people bitch about getting out of a racetrack after 1030PM that many of tracks are gunshy about getting a show in.  Not all fans and tracks can stomach a rain delay like Eldora I guess. 



blazer00
July 24, 2017 at 05:27:20 PM
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This is a very sore subject with me! How is it that the tracks and promoters get away with calling an event complete simply because they have completed heat races? Who let's them get away with that? If you go to a movie, and half way through the film the camera goes to shit, is that a completed movie? Hell no! It's not a matter of it not being the same thing. The fans are not getting what they paid for. The risk of rain is the risk of the promoter, not the fan!  The PPV providers need to swallow the risk, too. They use the lame excuse of following what the track rules as a complete show. Yeh....like it's "them screwing you, not us". It's in the contract, or the fees are paid regardless. Too damn bad!  I'm about to say the hell with PPV. And I'm not naive enought to think they'll miss me. But that's a poor mentality for them to have. At some point, it will catch up to them. Hell, replays and highlights are available inside a week usually anyway.



fiXXXer
July 24, 2017 at 07:50:09 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 24 2017 at 04:06:33 PM

How was the crowd? I couldn't make it so I'm psyched to see 2 features but I can see the folks that were there being mad.



The crowd wasn't terrible but it wasn't you're typical outlaw crowd. 




dsc1600
July 24, 2017 at 08:19:25 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on July 24 2017 at 07:50:09 PM

The crowd wasn't terrible but it wasn't you're typical outlaw crowd. 



That to me is another reason. They have run that race at 1am before, but the crowd was much larger. Both the Outlaws and the track had the incentive to move it.

not saying it was the right call.



field squeeker
July 24, 2017 at 09:23:43 PM
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Posted By: microsprint6 on July 24 2017 at 01:26:08 PM

I have never bashed the Grove or its management and there are times they propbably deserve it.  However it is going to be hard to go back after what took place Friday night.  They ran through the heats as fast as possible, didn't run a c-main (not sure if the car count was there for it or not but the announcer kept saying c-main during the heats). Got the show to the point where they didn't have to accept any rain checks and canceled.  It was drizzling and would probably have taken a little bit of time to run in but the track looked pretty sealed from the very beginning of the night.  It was 9:30 when the "rain" hit, so maybe an hour or so to get the track back and the feature would have been 11ish, still not bad.  Seemed like a bad faith effort on the part of Williams Grove and World of Outlaws (not sure who made the call).  A lot of people went out and paid the money to see the show knowing that the chance of rain was there but still did so.  For the track to not make any effort to get the show for the fans that showed up was terrible in my opinion.  

 

A very easy solution would be to give the people who did show up a discount at the make-up event, not saying let them in for free but maybe a $ 10 discount.  That would at least show some kind of appreciation for the people that showed up.  They shouldn't get a free ticket because there will be another complete show but some kind of good faith would be great. Now I know I have a better chance of seeing the Easter Bunny then this happening but it would be nice.  $ 30 to watch heat races and a consi is not a great value and for the track to cancel so easily is not going to sit well with a lot of people.



I have been stewing over this issue for almost 2 days. I love the Grove and attend most of the special races. Its a 2 and a half hour trip for me from western Pa. I was amazed that not one track vehicle was rolled out to try to hold the surface. Williams Grove management made the comment on Facebook that WOO made the call. I'm sure the ALL STARS or USAC wouldn't have pressed mngt. to call the show. I was there both nights and in the end feel fleeced.



Cobra
July 24, 2017 at 10:08:05 PM
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Is the National Open a split field scenario again this year? If so.. Now you have teams potentially getting wrecked and not making the Thursday qualifying and others that have 24 hours to fix it... You also now force some teams to buy pit passes in a night they don't race.. Boy I hope I'm wrong.. I don't think this was thought through apart from trying to make Thurs night more attractive to fans




Johnny Gibson
July 24, 2017 at 10:57:25 PM
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The National Open has never been scheduled for "split field"--all cars run all three nights.  (And as for the post that said the "announcer" kept saying C-main, I can assure you that neither Bruce nor I ever said there was a C-main, because there was never one scheduled.)



revjimk
July 25, 2017 at 01:25:30 AM
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Glad I didn't make the 4 hr. drive from Ithaca....



beezr2002
July 25, 2017 at 08:43:04 AM
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Glad I didn't make the 25 min. drive from home.I wasn't there Friday but I followed some twitter feeds.  Friday was 1 division with 40 cars and it took 4 hours to complete. I've seen the grove run 2 division shows with full fields in under 3 hours when they want to. I'm not a fan of tracks that like to dick around all night.




microsprint6
July 25, 2017 at 11:04:02 AM
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on July 24 2017 at 10:57:25 PM

The National Open has never been scheduled for "split field"--all cars run all three nights.  (And as for the post that said the "announcer" kept saying C-main, I can assure you that neither Bruce nor I ever said there was a C-main, because there was never one scheduled.)



I made the comment about the c-main.  I thought I heard that comment made while Aaron Ott was trying to get back on the track in his heat race.  If that is incorrect, my apologies.

 

Since you choose to join a thread regarding the circumstances around a cancellation, maybe you can shed some light on this.  You made it clear in your post that you wanted to clear up the discrepancy of the c-main comment but how about the main concern of this thread - the cancellation.  Who made/makes the call to cancel?  I would hate to be upset with Willaims Grove if WOO made the call and vice versa.  What is very clear is there was hardly any rain and no effort to get the show in.  Many people spend a lot of money in good faith to support the show and in return expect the same effort from Williams Grove and WOO.  Since you work for one of these entities and joined this converstaion about the cancellation, could you shed some light on this topic.  We can all be called dumb fans that do not understand how a track responds to the drizzle that came and maybe this is a great opportunity for someone to clear up what really happened.  Thanks for joining the conversation and I look forward to you response.



motorhead748
July 25, 2017 at 11:34:00 AM
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I had been looking forward to this weekend and the 8 hour ride over but when the forecast looked like it did and my experience with WG efforts during wet weather I turned in my vaca time & stayed home. 





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