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May 08, 2017 at
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just watched the highlights of the A main. doesn't seem like a gm configuration on the heads????
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May 08, 2017 at
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There are no Racesaver engines being used to my knowledge...several use the Pace Evolution CT525 including the winner, Ryan Leavitt, last week. You can check the driver profiles at www.KnoxvilleRaceway.com to see what most of the drivers are running...
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May 08, 2017 at
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I'm positive that Racesaver would be more than happy to have Knoxville join the Racesaver family.
I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks
anywhere.
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May 08, 2017 at
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Posted By: Eagle Pit Shack Guy on May 08 2017 at 11:18:12 AM
I'm positive that Racesaver would be more than happy to have Knoxville join the Racesaver family.
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Could they do it and still not run under the IMCA sanction? I think thats the biggest issue. Not to mention the amount of motors out there now that would be illegal if it had to be IMCA Racesaver.
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May 08, 2017 at
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Posted By: Eagle Pit Shack Guy on May 08 2017 at 11:18:12 AM
I'm positive that Racesaver would be more than happy to have Knoxville join the Racesaver family.
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May 08, 2017 at
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I think the bonus to the Pace Performance Engine is it uses a spacer to restrict it to the 305 Class, remove the spacer and it's a 372 that can be ran with the 360's or even in other classes of cars alltogether like Open Wheel Modifieds maybe (so they can sell them if they decide to move up).
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May 08, 2017 at
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Posted By: Robm20 on May 08 2017 at 09:43:35 AM
just watched the highlights of the A main. doesn't seem like a gm configuration on the heads????
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They use GM 305 blocks, the Dart 305 block or the Pace engine. Knoxville can also if wanted run a dry sump 305 engine. Burlington track does not allow dry sump. A few Racesavers were allowed to run at Knoxville. They ran about mid pak if I remember right. It would be nice if all 3 tracks had same rules, but it will not happen in near future.
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May 08, 2017 at
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Posted By: IADIRT on May 08 2017 at 11:39:44 AM
Could they do it and still not run under the IMCA sanction? I think thats the biggest issue. Not to mention the amount of motors out there now that would be illegal if it had to be IMCA Racesaver.
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No, they could not. And, after further thought, they could not even be Racesaver legal because you cannot be Racesaver legal without being IMCA sanctioned and since Boone is now Racesaver/IMCA sanctioned, they could not be either.
I apologize for the misstatement.
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Engines, dammit, not "motors"!
Motors convert energy to motion (usually electric), engines convert fuel to motion
I'm sure you've heard this before, but I'm a curmudgeon & I ain't changing!
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May 08, 2017 at
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Posted By: revjimk on May 08 2017 at 03:46:07 PM
Engines, dammit, not "motors"!
Motors convert energy to motion (usually electric), engines convert fuel to motion
I'm sure you've heard this before, but I'm a curmudgeon & I ain't changing!
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Why is it called motorsports then???
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May 08, 2017 at
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Posted By: revjimk on May 08 2017 at 03:46:07 PM
Engines, dammit, not "motors"!
Motors convert energy to motion (usually electric), engines convert fuel to motion
I'm sure you've heard this before, but I'm a curmudgeon & I ain't changing!
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May 08, 2017 at
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Posted By: revjimk on May 08 2017 at 03:46:07 PM
Engines, dammit, not "motors"!
Motors convert energy to motion (usually electric), engines convert fuel to motion
I'm sure you've heard this before, but I'm a curmudgeon & I ain't changing!
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mo·tor
noun
noun: motor; plural noun: motors
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1.
a machine, especially one powered by electricity or internal combustion, that supplies motive power for a vehicle or for some other device with moving parts.
Quick Google search. Fuel to Energy, Energy to Motion all happens inside a motor/engine. I think we were knit picking there
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May 08, 2017 at
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Nitpicking? OK. I plead guilty
Killing time in the airport
I'm surprised at that dictionary definition tho. Sometimes they change definitions over the years to conform to the way its used
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Posted By: sprinter11 on May 08 2017 at 04:11:14 PM
Why is it called motorsports then???
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A) Cause it sounds better?
B) Cause people keep repeating the same mistakes?
C) Cause they're intentionally trying to piss off curmudgeons?
Like I said, just killing time at the airport...
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Posted By: revjimk on May 08 2017 at 04:23:49 PM
Nitpicking? OK. I plead guilty
Killing time in the airport
I'm surprised at that dictionary definition tho. Sometimes they change definitions over the years to conform to the way its used
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That is true. Would be interesting to see a dictionary from 50 plus years ago and look at the difference between the two.
Actually more difficult to search than one would think. I think I found some early definitions but most were really vague.
MO'TOR, n. [L. from moveo, to move.] [.] A mover. The metals are called motors of electricity. - from the original Websters Dictionary
And yes Nitpicking. Sometimes one types faster than he thinks.
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May 08, 2017 at
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$16,000-$25,000 305's I can't see it. You can find decent used 410's for that money and you can run it wherever you want for likely 4X the money. It costs the same to tow to the track and get in the track. I know 410's are more maintenance more often but I just don't get 305's. I will say they can put on a good race.
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Posted By: linbob on May 08 2017 at 03:16:48 PM
They use GM 305 blocks, the Dart 305 block or the Pace engine. Knoxville can also if wanted run a dry sump 305 engine. Burlington track does not allow dry sump. A few Racesavers were allowed to run at Knoxville. They ran about mid pak if I remember right. It would be nice if all 3 tracks had same rules, but it will not happen in near future.
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Burlington is now allowing Knoxville engines to run there. The dry sump is now legal.
305s, like every other form of racing that is aimed at the low budget racer, does not stay that way. Eventually it becomes diluded by money and whiny owners. Every form of "enginesports" , that I have been involved with has been that way, and I suspect it will remain that way.
Racesavers are cute, but far too overpriced for what you get in the way of power. Simply put, racesavers could achieve the same thing with a 602 or a 604 at significantly lower price, but like Focus Midgets, those who would benefit from maintaining that class would not benefit from actualy reducing price to a reasonable enough limit to open it up to the average family man.
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Posted By: revjimk on May 08 2017 at 03:46:07 PM
Engines, dammit, not "motors"!
Motors convert energy to motion (usually electric), engines convert fuel to motion
I'm sure you've heard this before, but I'm a curmudgeon & I ain't changing!
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Hurrah---Another person who can quantify the the difference between motors and engines.
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Posted By: motorhead748 on May 08 2017 at 06:27:49 PM
$16,000-$25,000 305's I can't see it. You can find decent used 410's for that money and you can run it wherever you want for likely 4X the money. It costs the same to tow to the track and get in the track. I know 410's are more maintenance more often but I just don't get 305's. I will say they can put on a good race.
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The $16,000-20,000 figure that you quote is for an engine/motor/plant/mill with the very best of everything. That's all well and good, but the extra $8,000-12,000 is only gaining you maybe 10 horsepower. You can purchase a perfectly good Racesaver engine, brand new for $8,000 or construct one yourself and have it sealed and certified for less.
The Racesaver head and other engine specifications are purposely there to limit the advantage gained by spending umpteem thousand dollars needlessly.
You can spec your motor/engine with solid gold valve covers, but that won't win you any features. Driver ability and set-up are what does that; nothing else.
As to the maintenance, instead of freshening every 8-10 shows, you can go a whole season (or longer) without that with the Racesaver engine. Can you do it every week? Sure, if you have that kind of time and money; but, absent a failure of some kind, it's just not necessary.
We all know that racers will spend whatever they can to purchase whatever they THINK will give them an advantage.
What was the saying in the old days? "If Karl Kinser taped a turd to the hood of his car, everyone would have one the next week".
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FWIW......We had 37 IMCA Racesaver sprints at last Saturday nights weekly show at eagle Raceway.... most were well under the 16K GM crate engine (10-13K)....the winner was a 2015 ROY (that moved into sprints from sport compacts) with an engine built by a local machine shop.
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