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Sprint Dudes
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Jamie Klootwyk
January 19, 2017 at 11:10:08 PM
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Probably most accurate article I've ever read.  Rule of thumb for an entertainment venue is its worth no more than 50% of annual sales plus inventory... sales is revenue not profit.  Or 2 x annual profit.  If anyone could calculate an estimated revenue for that venue.. cut it in half.



bevfox08
January 20, 2017 at 09:26:07 AM
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How many times were you able to attend Badlands this past year? I'm hopeful you can say at least once so you can qualify to make a stupid comment like you did.

The only thing that is the same from the Huset's days is the wall around the track. Badlands Motor Speedway is the best dirt track facility in the country and better than most of the NASCAR tracks. I have been to over 50 dirt tracks and 10 NASCAR tracks so I have a pretty good idea on what facilities are nice and which ones are not. Once They started in on the renovation it was discovered the electric supply was not enough, the water supply wss not enough, the sewer was not enough, these items all cost money and lots of money.

I remain hopeful that Chuck is able to find a buyer. I have been going to Badlands (Huset's) for my whole life (48 years), it would be a travesty on dirt track racing if Badlands does not open in 2017. The car owners and fans will find other things to do and it would be hard to get everyone back if the track was to sit "dark" for a couple of years.

You should ask the car owners and drivers and you will be hard pressed to find one that will say 2016 was not a great year dollar wise for them. Remember fast time in the 410 class paid $1,000 and a total of 5 spots were paid out for a total of $2,000, just for time trials. Please name me another track that had that kind of payout? During the Rock 'N" Roll Gold Cup he paid all of the late model drivers a $1,000 for showing up, who else did stuff like that?

By changing the lending laws Chuck could not afford to do business in South Dakota and it was his desicion to close most of his other businesses as well. I pray every night that a buyer of the racetrack comes forward and we see racing there in 2017 and beyond. Until then many of the keyboard jocky's should use the old adage that holds water. "it is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doudt".

Thanks

Pat

 




blazer00
January 20, 2017 at 04:43:20 PM
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Posted By: bevfox08 on January 20 2017 at 09:26:07 AM

How many times were you able to attend Badlands this past year? I'm hopeful you can say at least once so you can qualify to make a stupid comment like you did.

The only thing that is the same from the Huset's days is the wall around the track. Badlands Motor Speedway is the best dirt track facility in the country and better than most of the NASCAR tracks. I have been to over 50 dirt tracks and 10 NASCAR tracks so I have a pretty good idea on what facilities are nice and which ones are not. Once They started in on the renovation it was discovered the electric supply was not enough, the water supply wss not enough, the sewer was not enough, these items all cost money and lots of money.

I remain hopeful that Chuck is able to find a buyer. I have been going to Badlands (Huset's) for my whole life (48 years), it would be a travesty on dirt track racing if Badlands does not open in 2017. The car owners and fans will find other things to do and it would be hard to get everyone back if the track was to sit "dark" for a couple of years.

You should ask the car owners and drivers and you will be hard pressed to find one that will say 2016 was not a great year dollar wise for them. Remember fast time in the 410 class paid $1,000 and a total of 5 spots were paid out for a total of $2,000, just for time trials. Please name me another track that had that kind of payout? During the Rock 'N" Roll Gold Cup he paid all of the late model drivers a $1,000 for showing up, who else did stuff like that?

By changing the lending laws Chuck could not afford to do business in South Dakota and it was his desicion to close most of his other businesses as well. I pray every night that a buyer of the racetrack comes forward and we see racing there in 2017 and beyond. Until then many of the keyboard jocky's should use the old adage that holds water. "it is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doudt".

Thanks

Pat

 



Hard to hang a hat on what one year paid or did for the teams. What's that doing for them this year? As for the change in SD law......he knew that was coming up for vote. 



3togo
January 20, 2017 at 08:04:20 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on January 20 2017 at 04:43:20 PM

Hard to hang a hat on what one year paid or did for the teams. What's that doing for them this year? As for the change in SD law......he knew that was coming up for vote. 



Blaze I know that we usually disagree but for the last 30 plus years I've been at about every race at Husets and a handful of trips to the national's and outlaw shows in Knoxville plus a few trips to Jackson. Last year was easily the best sprint car racing at Husets in the 30 years I've been going and for obvious reasons. But would you agree with me that it appears that sprint car racing is dying a slow death in the upper Midwest.



egras
January 20, 2017 at 11:38:08 PM
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Posted By: bevfox08 on January 20 2017 at 09:26:07 AM

How many times were you able to attend Badlands this past year? I'm hopeful you can say at least once so you can qualify to make a stupid comment like you did.

The only thing that is the same from the Huset's days is the wall around the track. Badlands Motor Speedway is the best dirt track facility in the country and better than most of the NASCAR tracks. I have been to over 50 dirt tracks and 10 NASCAR tracks so I have a pretty good idea on what facilities are nice and which ones are not. Once They started in on the renovation it was discovered the electric supply was not enough, the water supply wss not enough, the sewer was not enough, these items all cost money and lots of money.

I remain hopeful that Chuck is able to find a buyer. I have been going to Badlands (Huset's) for my whole life (48 years), it would be a travesty on dirt track racing if Badlands does not open in 2017. The car owners and fans will find other things to do and it would be hard to get everyone back if the track was to sit "dark" for a couple of years.

You should ask the car owners and drivers and you will be hard pressed to find one that will say 2016 was not a great year dollar wise for them. Remember fast time in the 410 class paid $1,000 and a total of 5 spots were paid out for a total of $2,000, just for time trials. Please name me another track that had that kind of payout? During the Rock 'N" Roll Gold Cup he paid all of the late model drivers a $1,000 for showing up, who else did stuff like that?

By changing the lending laws Chuck could not afford to do business in South Dakota and it was his desicion to close most of his other businesses as well. I pray every night that a buyer of the racetrack comes forward and we see racing there in 2017 and beyond. Until then many of the keyboard jocky's should use the old adage that holds water. "it is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doudt".

Thanks

Pat

 



All of this does nothing to justify what he is asking for it.  No one will buy this track for what he is asking if their plan is to make money or even recover their investment.  Anyone who doesn't have all of the money upfront and wishes to finance a portion, will be laughed at by any banker and about any group of potential investors.

That said, it could sell tomorrow.  Someone with a lot of money might want to buy it because they love sprint car racing and want to own a track for fun.  I've stated before-----if I had Chucky money, I would buy it.  Which leads to the question....................why doesn't Chucky just run it? 

 

(and if anyone says because he lost his quick loan scam and is now starving, I am playing my little tiny violin in the background)




blazer00
January 21, 2017 at 01:57:46 AM
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Posted By: 3togo on January 20 2017 at 08:04:20 PM

Blaze I know that we usually disagree but for the last 30 plus years I've been at about every race at Husets and a handful of trips to the national's and outlaw shows in Knoxville plus a few trips to Jackson. Last year was easily the best sprint car racing at Husets in the 30 years I've been going and for obvious reasons. But would you agree with me that it appears that sprint car racing is dying a slow death in the upper Midwest.



I WILL ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU. And it's not the fault of one promoter or track owner. The cause is simply the high cost of the equipment. And it's not going to remain just a problem here in the Midwest, it will hit those areas that are still doing well. It's inevitable.  Until something is done with engine rules, wing and tire rules and the cost of special metal componants, the sport will continue to decline at the local level. The sport we love is becoming a sport of special events, not weekly racing. I'm just glad as hell I've lived my life when it was a sport of weekly racing. I did hit Husets a lot and  Jackson and other Midwest tracks. Loved the racing at Husets, and Jackson was the closest and both had great weekly racing for many years. Then.........$$$$$



maddog53
January 21, 2017 at 10:22:42 AM
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The old adage is, "Build it and they will come"  Change that to "Put Sprint Cars on it and they will come"  I frequent what could be classified as 'dumpy' places, Angell Park, Wilmot to name a couple.  When they run Sprint Cars, they pack the places.  Not sure if ths has anything to do with anything, but 'Sprint' racing in the Midwest, especially around here, is fairly healthy.  When Sprints aren't running, crowds are dead as a doornail....



blazer00
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The old adage is, "Build it and they will come"  Change that to "Put Sprint Cars on it and they will come"  I frequent what could be classified as 'dumpy' places, Angell Park, Wilmot to name a couple.  When they run Sprint Cars, they pack the places.  Not sure if ths has anything to do with anything, but 'Sprint' racing in the Midwest, especially around here, is fairly healthy.  When Sprints aren't running, crowds are dead as a doornail....



It's healthy when the run them.......just asking......how often do they run those tracks each year? 410 cars .....360 cars.....? I know of a few special shows, I'm not sure about what they run for the weekly shows.




maddog53
January 22, 2017 at 08:09:33 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on January 21 2017 at 09:20:46 PM

It's healthy when the run them.......just asking......how often do they run those tracks each year? 410 cars .....360 cars.....? I know of a few special shows, I'm not sure about what they run for the weekly shows.



Wilmot and Angell Park run Sprints (IRA) about 4 to 6 times each a year.  Pack the places.  No 360's. The 360's run farther North around Plymouth and the now defunct Manitowoc.  Wilmot has the Wisconsin Wingless Sprint Series they just started 2 years ago.  604 crate motors and the class has been growing very steadily.  Regular weekly show at Wilmot is the wingLESS, IMCA Mods, Street Stocks, Fabulous? Fours and Mini Sprints.  In my opinion, the crowds suck. They probably make more back gate money than grandstand money.  IRA shows up, packed stands.  Wilmot has hosted the Outlaws the last couple of years and has been a regular stop for the Al Stars for years.  They mix it up pretty good so there is a show (Sprints) to go see fairly regular.



stockcar5
January 22, 2017 at 09:53:03 AM
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I don't see how anybody would buy that place for that price. Even if you had all the money in the world and just wanted to buy a track regardless of recovering investment...why not spend about 1/2 of what Chuck is asking and build yourself a track EXACTLY how and where you want it?



StanM
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January 22, 2017 at 10:04:39 AM
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For the most part aside from Knoxville, the former Husets and River Cities all the racing in the upper Midwest is either WISSOTA, USRA or IMCA classes with Modifieds overtaking Late Models as the most popular.  There are some IMCA 305's that I believe are still running at Arlington and the UMSS in central Minnesota and Wisconsin.  As far as 410 Sprints go for weekly shows it's always been Knoxville, River Cities and Husets.  There are a ton of tracks up in this area, I can count seven off the top of my head that are between a 40 minutes and 1 1/2 hours with Cedar Lake's UMSS Traditional at 40 minutes being the only type of Sprint show that comes close to being weekly but they do give them a few nights off during some of the specials.

If someone were to ask me if dirt track racing is doing well in the upper Midwest I'd have to answer yes if the question included all classes.  If you're talking 410 Sprints only I'd give it a yes with the footnote that the last couple of years saw a lot of money and more opportunities to race but what we're going to be seeing come April is still a question mark.  My observations over the years is that purses, points funds and promotion don't always equal more cars and bigger crowds.  There are so many other factors involved that it becomes pretty much a moving target.

From where I sit here in Forest Lake 25 miles north of St. Paul I know that I can always see a good show if I make a trip to Jackson, Knoxville, River Cities or Cedar Lake for one of their handful of 410 and 360 specials.  Are there going to be 50 cars with B, C, and D mains?  Probably not but when I go I can still catch a few good pictures for old times sake and be confident that I'm going to see a good show.  Seeing as we're coming off probably the best year for 410's with Jackson being refurbished and Badlands paying like they did I think it's going to be a bit of a letdown.  We've got the IRA to our east so I should give them a shout out as well because a lot of their specials come around here as well.  In my personal case I find that there the travel cuts me out of a lot of races, I pretty much stick to what comes close to home on weekends so I don't have to burn vacation while I'm still working.

More races like they have back east presents the unique opportunity to make a living driving without following a tour.  When I look at the situation around the upper Midwest we're back down to one weekly track (Knoxville) with a pretty good slate of specials at Jackson.  River Cities is five hours from me and I'm two hours north of Jackson.  We see some drivers haul up there for specials but their weekly racing is pretty much locals, not many teams are doing to travel 5+ hours on a Friday so for the most part it's two main tracks without Badlands. 

I'm going to put something out there to provoke some thought.  How many races does a driver have to do to make a living racing?  Without dropping I know of former touring drivers in the upper Midwest who are quitely working day jobs and racing weekends.  You look around at all of the former Outlaw drivers all around the country and I'm sure that scenario plays out everywhere.  My point comes back to the upper Midwest in that drivers around here who want to make a living have to double with WoO shows that require a stout budget to be competitive.  There is a core group of racers at every track who only run their home tracks and work to support their racing hobby.  Sprint Car racing is such an all in sport that it takes total commitment just to run weekly and make a decent showing.  Add former Outlaws to your weekly show and a local team has really got to be on their toes just to race anymore.  In principle it's kind of like when NASCAR owners started getting involved in Sprint Car racing, it raised the bar for everyone.  When former Outlaws are running weekly it has that same effect, it raises the bar for the weekly competitor. 

I don't have any specific point to make aside from that 410 Sprint Car racing is going through more changes in Iowa, Minnesota and the Dakotas and nobody knows at this point how it's going to shake out.  The way I look at it, before they took it up a notch we had a few weekly tracks that were always a sure bet to see a good show.  For a couple years there were a few more shows and some nice bonuses and purses.  Now the way it looks it's probably going to revert back to a couple places we can see a good weekly show and plenty of specials throughout the summer.  I was happy with what we had, I was happy with what we had the past couple years and I'll be happy however it all shakes out.  I'd probably have a different opinion if I lived near Badlands as I don't travel much so I can understand the frustration of having an iconic track shuttered for what amounts to the strangest reason I've ever heard.  Usually when tracks shut their gates is on account of metropolitan areas overtaking them or something along those lines.  I've never heard of a track closing because it was too awesome of a facility for any prospective buyer to recoup their purchase costs in their lifetime. 

In closing I just want to say that everyone needs to hang on because this roller coaster ride isn't over.  It looks like after we got to the crest of the hill last season now things are regressing due to the shuttered track.  This is all taking place far enough to my south that I don't get those places often but what happens down there affects everything the entire region.


Stan Meissner


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Posted By: bevfox08 on January 20 2017 at 09:26:07 AM

How many times were you able to attend Badlands this past year? I'm hopeful you can say at least once so you can qualify to make a stupid comment like you did.

The only thing that is the same from the Huset's days is the wall around the track. Badlands Motor Speedway is the best dirt track facility in the country and better than most of the NASCAR tracks. I have been to over 50 dirt tracks and 10 NASCAR tracks so I have a pretty good idea on what facilities are nice and which ones are not. Once They started in on the renovation it was discovered the electric supply was not enough, the water supply wss not enough, the sewer was not enough, these items all cost money and lots of money.

I remain hopeful that Chuck is able to find a buyer. I have been going to Badlands (Huset's) for my whole life (48 years), it would be a travesty on dirt track racing if Badlands does not open in 2017. The car owners and fans will find other things to do and it would be hard to get everyone back if the track was to sit "dark" for a couple of years.

You should ask the car owners and drivers and you will be hard pressed to find one that will say 2016 was not a great year dollar wise for them. Remember fast time in the 410 class paid $1,000 and a total of 5 spots were paid out for a total of $2,000, just for time trials. Please name me another track that had that kind of payout? During the Rock 'N" Roll Gold Cup he paid all of the late model drivers a $1,000 for showing up, who else did stuff like that?

By changing the lending laws Chuck could not afford to do business in South Dakota and it was his desicion to close most of his other businesses as well. I pray every night that a buyer of the racetrack comes forward and we see racing there in 2017 and beyond. Until then many of the keyboard jocky's should use the old adage that holds water. "it is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doudt".

Thanks

Pat

 



Geez, were you on the payroll or something? lol

I've been to many dirt tracks as well as NASCAR tracks too and to say that Badlands was the best in the country is just a total OPINION, add not even close to reality. Lucas Oil Speedway puts Badlands to shame.

But alas you are entitled to your opinion.

Let's just go back to what I've said on these boards all along, nobody gives a good, gol-damn about seats made of gold and urinals made of marble........neither of which Badlands has.........just saying, it's not about that.......what matters at any track is the racing that takes place on it, the rest it just a bonus. But you sure can NOT charge extra to the fan just cause you got a "fancy" track and choose to butt heads with all your competition. Dirt Track Promotion can only bear what the market has beared for years.

Add that Mr. Brennan was just on one of those fake-ass reality shows giving away $100K to his pal from Motley Crue, Vince Neil. IM21 didn't seem to hurt his bank account any, if at all?

I have a hard time believing he spent 10mil on Huset's, but whatever it was, it was too much.

Bad business model and now ALL THE FANS AND RACERS in the Sioux Falls area are going to suffer from the end result.

Is what it is.


"Gimme fuel, Gimme fire, Gimme that which I desire!"



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