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davemahar
October 20, 2014 at 11:00:51 AM
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full story later today....Willie Croft won the main event and Cup title, starting the all time record closest to the front when he started 6th.

A main..Willie Croft, Greg DeCaires, Mitchell Faccinto, Mason Moore, Bud Kaeding, Carson Macedo, Roger Crockett, Terry McCarl, Steven Tiner, Kyle Hirst, Justyn Cox, Cory Eliason, Brent Kaeding, Henry Van Dam, Jonathan Allard, Colby Copeland, D. J. Netto, David Gravel, Craig Stidham, Shane Golobic, Tim Kaeding, Rico Abreu, Dominic Scelzi, Andy Gregg

 

top ten in points....Croft  426, Moore 419, Crockett  415, Macedo 412, Bud Kaeding 410, Faccinto 406, Hirst 404, McCarl 401, Tiner 397, DeCaires 390




davemahar
October 20, 2014 at 11:02:17 AM
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TK was the one who crashed out in front of Rico, then an oil fire flared up, briefly, but the way the car was laying and the wing smashed down, it made a quick exit from the car more difficult to do. Golobic lost a rear end while he was racing inside the top 10 around lap 37. Crockett was the only one who moved up with a shot at the overall points in the final laps, but the passing was at a mimimum after the last restart. 



Bruce Goodwin
October 20, 2014 at 04:35:25 PM
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someone said Rico,Allard stopped to help TK get out!!.......

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DirtTrackFan4Life
October 20, 2014 at 06:47:19 PM
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Posted By: davemahar on October 20 2014 at 11:00:51 AM

full story later today....Willie Croft won the main event and Cup title, starting the all time record closest to the front when he started 6th.

A main..Willie Croft, Greg DeCaires, Mitchell Faccinto, Mason Moore, Bud Kaeding, Carson Macedo, Roger Crockett, Terry McCarl, Steven Tiner, Kyle Hirst, Justyn Cox, Cory Eliason, Brent Kaeding, Henry Van Dam, Jonathan Allard, Colby Copeland, D. J. Netto, David Gravel, Craig Stidham, Shane Golobic, Tim Kaeding, Rico Abreu, Dominic Scelzi, Andy Gregg

 

top ten in points....Croft  426, Moore 419, Crockett  415, Macedo 412, Bud Kaeding 410, Faccinto 406, Hirst 404, McCarl 401, Tiner 397, DeCaires 390



All in all, the Racing was very good. The finish Friday was insane. After all the Trophy Cups I have seen though, how in the world is it possible a guy can start 6th and win it all. That was an absolute Joke in my opinion. He deserved the race win hands down. From a normal format, Roger Crocket Should have won the overall with Mason and Hirst very close behind. The car that passes the most cars usually wins, especially when they start in the back 2 rows. Crocket advanced more then anyone else aside from being 4th going into the main. The car 19th in points has never had a shot before and with the competition what it is today that just isnt right. Plus add the fact of the rubber race track, there was no hope for the back few rows to win it. Hopefully they fix the format for next year. I am not upset at the event, it was great racing all 3 days and like the addition of thursday but I only feel the deserving car did not get the Trophy this year for the first time since I have been going. (Back to san jose!) Maybe they should give passing points or add the 3 days together for the Overall. 



RunninE
October 22, 2014 at 01:31:29 PM
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I agree with the point that DirtTrackFan4Life is making here. Did the point format change? Without a lot of things happening during the main, why is it possible for a driver to start 6th and win overall points championship? Without a revision (or return) to the format, the smart money is to now start mid-pack; not strive to be the high-point driver. I know that you can never make everyone happy, and I truly believe that the Trophy Cup is the best race going, but in years past there was always the "race within the race" factor which is so fun to watch.

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Petersen Media
October 23, 2014 at 08:10:27 PM
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The points format was the same, though I think giving each driver their best night, and not having a durastic drop in qulaifying as the field was split, things were much more tight going into the feature than years past.

Rather than having 1-84 in time trials you had two sets of 1-42 with a one point drop per position. Mix that in with taking top point earners out of heats one night, and finishers the other, and we had a much different point battle.

 

Nonetheless, congrats to Willie Croft and the Rudeen Racing team for taking care of buisness and pickin gup the race win, and letting the points fall into place.


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buzz rightrear
October 23, 2014 at 11:11:20 PM
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All in all, the Racing was very good. The finish Friday was insane. After all the Trophy Cups I have seen though, how in the world is it possible a guy can start 6th and win it all. That was an absolute Joke in my opinion. He deserved the race win hands down. From a normal format, Roger Crocket Should have won the overall with Mason and Hirst very close behind. The car that passes the most cars usually wins, especially when they start in the back 2 rows. Crocket advanced more then anyone else aside from being 4th going into the main. The car 19th in points has never had a shot before and with the competition what it is today that just isnt right. Plus add the fact of the rubber race track, there was no hope for the back few rows to win it. Hopefully they fix the format for next year. I am not upset at the event, it was great racing all 3 days and like the addition of thursday but I only feel the deserving car did not get the Trophy this year for the first time since I have been going. (Back to san jose!) Maybe they should give passing points or add the 3 days together for the Overall. 



at one point both crokett and moore were each in a position to win the over all if they could have passed one more car. some of the fast cars that started in the back had problems and didn't finish. 

some people just have to bitch.

 


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Dhowe11164
October 24, 2014 at 04:31:50 PM
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on October 23 2014 at 11:11:20 PM

at one point both crokett and moore were each in a position to win the over all if they could have passed one more car. some of the fast cars that started in the back had problems and didn't finish. 

some people just have to bitch.

 



Buzz, not sure its bitching just to bitch. The current format has made it unknowingly much more difficult for a driver to come from the back and win the overall Trophy Cup points title. Using the current format, where only a drivers best night of results is used, bunched up the top 20 in points alot closer then we have ever seen before. Fans, drivers and teams are not used to seeing someone start 6th and win the entire deal, even with one of the top leaders in pts running 7th. I dont think anythine realized the format change would result in this scenario. In yrs past, the 19th place driver in points was much more than 20 pts behind the leaders. My suggestion would be to count both nights of racing and points to determine the final night. Or, make the main event a 2 pt drop in finihsing position points. Not sure what Moore needed, but Crockett needed to get to 5th place to win the points. He ran 7th. 



tls11
October 25, 2014 at 07:52:06 PM
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Well i made the trip from Oklahoma cuz all i heard is how great the racing was. I was their all 3 nights and i have to say i was very disappointed.  Friday was the best show with some passing and side by side action. How can a car leave the pits with a flat, thats stupid ! Sorry but that was not great racing.


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buzz rightrear
October 27, 2014 at 02:18:24 AM
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Buzz, not sure its bitching just to bitch. The current format has made it unknowingly much more difficult for a driver to come from the back and win the overall Trophy Cup points title. Using the current format, where only a drivers best night of results is used, bunched up the top 20 in points alot closer then we have ever seen before. Fans, drivers and teams are not used to seeing someone start 6th and win the entire deal, even with one of the top leaders in pts running 7th. I dont think anythine realized the format change would result in this scenario. In yrs past, the 19th place driver in points was much more than 20 pts behind the leaders. My suggestion would be to count both nights of racing and points to determine the final night. Or, make the main event a 2 pt drop in finihsing position points. Not sure what Moore needed, but Crockett needed to get to 5th place to win the points. He ran 7th. 



it isn't supposed to be easy to come from the back and win.

if there was a 5 point drop per position and crokett finished 11 points behind croft, then that means crokett passing two more cars to finish 5th would have gave him 10 more points. one point less than croft for winning. so i would think crokett needed to finish 4th to win. at one time i'm pretty sure he was running 5th.

moore needed to finish two positions further ahead to beat croft. that would have been second. at one point late in the race moore was running 3rd.

so both of those drivers had a shot but just couldn't do it.

also as i said some of the faster running high points cars that started futher back had problems and didn't finish.

things might have been different if even one of them had been able to finish. or if someone was able to keep croft from winning the main.

 

 

 

 


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henry chinaski
October 27, 2014 at 10:32:50 AM
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Posted By: tls11 on October 25 2014 at 07:52:06 PM

Well i made the trip from Oklahoma cuz all i heard is how great the racing was. I was their all 3 nights and i have to say i was very disappointed.  Friday was the best show with some passing and side by side action. How can a car leave the pits with a flat, thats stupid ! Sorry but that was not great racing.



You attended one time. I can assure you this was not the best year for Trophy Cup but that doesn't take away from all the many, many years of top notch hard fought racing. They will tweak the format undoubtedly for next year to bring back more of that T-Cup excitement we've all come to expect. You sound like you attended with the mindset of disproving the hype. Maybe next time try and enjoy the racing as it unfolds before you. I saw some C, B and A main events that rivaled any of the best races of the year for excitement. Sure Saturday the A main fell flat this year but that was a first for me to witness.


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buzz rightrear
October 27, 2014 at 02:48:34 PM
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just wondering if the dates for next years trophy cup have been set and if anyone knows what they will be. usually it is about the same week.


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Dhowe11164
October 27, 2014 at 03:48:06 PM
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on October 27 2014 at 02:18:24 AM

it isn't supposed to be easy to come from the back and win.

if there was a 5 point drop per position and crokett finished 11 points behind croft, then that means crokett passing two more cars to finish 5th would have gave him 10 more points. one point less than croft for winning. so i would think crokett needed to finish 4th to win. at one time i'm pretty sure he was running 5th.

moore needed to finish two positions further ahead to beat croft. that would have been second. at one point late in the race moore was running 3rd.

so both of those drivers had a shot but just couldn't do it.

also as i said some of the faster running high points cars that started futher back had problems and didn't finish.

things might have been different if even one of them had been able to finish. or if someone was able to keep croft from winning the main.

 

 

 

 



I dont think anyone ever had any expectation that it would be any easier to win from the back, but a format change shouldnt have made it any harder either, which it did, in hindsight. Crocket never got any higher than 7th in the main, as he was racing with Macedo and McCarl after the last restart, so him getting to 4th, would have been impressive, especially considering how difficult it got to pass in the later stages. Thats as close as he got. In the former format, a driver passing 5 cars vs. one who passed 14 woudnt have been the overall champion. Taking drivers best finish over 2 nights of racing ,having 2 1st place points drivers, 2 2nd place points drivers etc., bunched up the points significantly more than in years past, making winning the championship from closer to the front much easier to accomplish. It wasnt that way in yrs past. The race format itself is fine, but the points distribution needs some tweaking. I suggest using both nights results instead of 1. I'm sure Dave is working out a format that will correct this. 



ronr
October 28, 2014 at 08:44:24 AM
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Format........some changes have been made, official word soon

date.....not yet set for 2015


one big change......fence redo should make the welding truck obsolete



tls11
October 28, 2014 at 04:13:01 PM
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You attended one time. I can assure you this was not the best year for Trophy Cup but that doesn't take away from all the many, many years of top notch hard fought racing. They will tweak the format undoubtedly for next year to bring back more of that T-Cup excitement we've all come to expect. You sound like you attended with the mindset of disproving the hype. Maybe next time try and enjoy the racing as it unfolds before you. I saw some C, B and A main events that rivaled any of the best races of the year for excitement. Sure Saturday the A main fell flat this year but that was a first for me to witness.



Glad you have me figured out, Humm lets see, i bought 2 plane tickets from OKC to Cal then hotel room for 5 days and rental car and 2 tickets to all 3 nights just to disprove the hype, really ? I guess we know what you have been smoking. When i typed my note it was cause I was disappointed, can you not understand that.  And I sure don't NEED YOU TO TELL ME HOW YO ENJOY A RACE.  Let me stop their before I type something I might later regret.


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fivectydirttracker
December 06, 2014 at 04:05:32 PM
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Posted By: DirtTrackFan4Life on October 20 2014 at 06:47:19 PM

All in all, the Racing was very good. The finish Friday was insane. After all the Trophy Cups I have seen though, how in the world is it possible a guy can start 6th and win it all. That was an absolute Joke in my opinion. He deserved the race win hands down. From a normal format, Roger Crocket Should have won the overall with Mason and Hirst very close behind. The car that passes the most cars usually wins, especially when they start in the back 2 rows. Crocket advanced more then anyone else aside from being 4th going into the main. The car 19th in points has never had a shot before and with the competition what it is today that just isnt right. Plus add the fact of the rubber race track, there was no hope for the back few rows to win it. Hopefully they fix the format for next year. I am not upset at the event, it was great racing all 3 days and like the addition of thursday but I only feel the deserving car did not get the Trophy this year for the first time since I have been going. (Back to san jose!) Maybe they should give passing points or add the 3 days together for the Overall. 



+1

Also, bring back a night of non-wing.

Worst Cup for me too.


Peace, Out.

from: central coast of cali.

Mudlover
December 10, 2014 at 09:47:48 AM
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Loved it can't wait for next year, great job TC !



fordfan
December 11, 2014 at 02:21:51 AM
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Posted By: buzz rightrear on October 27 2014 at 02:48:34 PM

just wondering if the dates for next years trophy cup have been set and if anyone knows what they will be. usually it is about the same week.



I seem to remember seeing it on here, and have it marked on my calendar already, that next years dates are Oct. 15, 16 & 17. Could be wrong though.




2dfloor2
December 11, 2014 at 09:53:47 PM
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If you  recall the dust this year was brutal. Talking to a couple drivers, I found out that the dirt for this years Trophy's Cup was brought on from Hanford. That is why the racing kinda sucked! I will con't to support this race but they should get rid of the Hanford dirt.





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