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OK, Knoxville's point champion gets $20,000 and the total point fund is around $250,000 in cash and prizes (cars, rear ends, wheels, tires, etc).

If this is a $75000 to win point fund with $15000 for 10th and paying out to 15th spot, my best guess is that the breakdown would be similar to this.

1.  $75,000

2. $32,500

3, $20,000

4. $19,000

5. $18,000

6. $17,000

7. $16,500

8. $16,000

9. $15,500

10. $15,000

11. $10,000

12. $7000

13. $6000

14. $5500

15. $5000

that's a total of $278,000 in CASH which equates to nearly $8000 per EVENT (based on 35 races) that would have to be put toward the point fund out of someone's pocket or from sponsors or sanction fees (or a combination of all 3). 

If you are paying out tow $$ to drivers to follow you (let's say $300 per car for the top 10 in points), you have another $3000 per event. 

The only way I can see anything like this working is if you charge a sanction fee of $12-13,000 to cover the point fund, tow $$$, and operating expenses (officials, travel, hotels, etc.) until you get sponsors on-board,  (Unless someone is just interested in spending the $$$ they worked very hard most of their life to earn)

Now, maybe I'm overestimating the point fund (but even at half that amount, you're still talking $4000 per event needed), but unless BIG $$$$ Sponsors jump on board to help get this off the ground, I just don't see it all adding up.

Kinser wants to run weekends...he might be interested?

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I don't see the issue with the money if we are talking about Big Game Tod.

For the past few years, he has fielded 2 (two) full-time, WoO teams. Well funded teams I would add. With Swindell retiring, that leaves just one team, Dollansky. It's yet to be determined if that team will follow the WoO next year full-time.

What does it cost to field a (one) upper level WoO team for a full season? I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing substantially more than a $278,000 point fund. Suppose they stay with just Dollansky and not fill the 2nd car. He would probably get more bang for his advertising buck by getting this series off the ground using BGTS as the title sponsor all over the Midwest.

Thoughts?

i wouldnt be suprised if Big game is backing this series up, and  if he does still back Dollansky i bet he would only run Knoxville Saturday's and then follow the Midwest 410 tour. but im sure Big Game spent more on Sammy this year then he is going to spend this series. I hope this happens, because Todd and big game doing this and taking 1 car off of tour will help alot more smaller funded teams stay on the track. We should be thanking the person for doing this not tearing it down.

Maybe some 360 guys will step up! Seeing they are paying the same price for engines and racing for hot dogs 

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410james

Thanks for the insightful post. 

Is someone making the suggestion the cost to run a series is less expensive than running a single car on the WOO circuit ?

T-Mac is on the record talking to the annoucer at Huset's earlier this year, that his operation costs over $250,000 a year to race Knoxville, Huset's, and other area shows.

I don't know what it cost to run a "competitive" WoO team for an entire season, but I bet it's double that or better. Could be wrong though.

The total cost has to be double and more....race haulers, race cars, motors, tires, fuel for everything

I live in the Kansas City area, and I have been to several WOO and a few All-Star races in the area that had less than stellar car counts.  I have a hard time determining where these cars are going to come from.   Forming a series to run 35 times but not running on Saturday nights is going to be tough.   Forming a series and counting on Knoxville regulars is going to be tough.  

I havent been to a 410 show for 5 years..the WoO was 80 miles from where i live and no i didnt go..ended up with 19 cars that night. Unless they figure out a way to make 410s more affordable that would help a bunch.

That is a pretty tall order. In Souix Falls there is some 410 racing.  Rapid City is struggling keeping 360's going.  Not much sprint racing in western North Datota expect some special events. I don't know if Fargo has any thing at all. Western Neb. and Ks. only have a 305 operation run by Rick Salem. Once in a while there might be a 360 race run by NCRA. There once was quite a bit of racing by the Rockie Mountain ASCS. since that is gone it is a desert.

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I love the idea of a series in the area the rumor says this may be in. As far as the logistics of it, I'll let the guys setting it up work that out instead of being a boo bird right off the bat and saying it won't work for this reason or that.

As far as car counts in ND, River Cities Speedway in Grand Forks gets a little over 30 sprint cars each Friday night. 

Someone mentioned Red River Valley Speedway and I think that something like this would be perfect for the track that is just sitting there now. The fair board has obviously voiced there opinion that they don't care about weekly racing, so there would be the opportunity for an organization like this to lease the track 1 or 2 times a year and run there event. It would be great to even see a 2 or 3 day event. The facility is all just sitting there and can hold a good amount of people.

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Please go back to school for about 6 more years and then try again.  I have no idea in the world what you are trying to say.

If this were to happen, it would be a good thing for Midwest 410 winged racing. 

With the type of money that's being talked about, you would have to think that guys like Brian Brown, Ian Madsen, Terry McCarl, Justin Henderson, Danny Lasoski, Davey Heskin, Dusty Zomer, Lynton Jeffrey, Bronson Maeschen, Brooke Tatnell, and Mark Dobmeier would race either full-time or a majority of the races.  Add in guys like Clint Garner, Don Droud Jr,  and Cole Wood(if he's back in the Midwest next season).  Plus, you have to think that Jason Johnson (based in Missouri), Brad Loyet, and a few other ASCS guys would put in their 410's and race as much as possible. 
There would no doubt be a few other 360 guys who would get 410's if they know they can get 30-35 nights of racing in as well. 

There would also more than likely be a few more drivers who would commit to the series for that type of money. 

If there are around 15 full timers and 10-15 other guys showing up at each race, that's more than enough for a quality show. 
As a huge sprint car fan, I hope this does happen because it can only help sprint car racing in the Midwest. 

410s would be more affordable if you are running for that type of money. 360s cost the same and race for 600 to win sometimes 

No offense, but it is really getting old listening to you complain about racing for 600 to win.  Go tell the racers that they are a bunch of idiots then.  If you are in Sioux Falls and have a 360, you could have raced in over 20 shows with 1/2 of them paying $1,500 to win or more within a 2 hour drive of your front door.  The fact that races pay only 600 to win and continually the get cars is the fault of the drivers who make the decision to race there.

That is 20 shows that paid a minimum of $1,000 to win.  8 of those shows paid $2,000 to win including a $5,000 and $10,000 to win show.  The Minnesota Mafia has worked hard to support some good paying shows and along with Jackson and AtoZ Promotions plus BWW, there are some outstanding purses for local drivers.

Date-Win $/Start $

May 17-$1,000/$150

May 24-$1,000/$200

May 31-$1,000/$150

June 7-$1,000/$150

June 21-$1,000/$150

June 22-$3,000/$400

June 27-$1,200/$200

June 28-$1,200/$200

July 3-$10,000/$500

July 5-$1,500/$200

July 11-$1,500/$250

July 16-$2,000/$300

July 17-$2,500/$250

July 18-$2,500/$250

July 19-$2,500/$400

Aug 16-$1,500/$250

Aug 23-$1,000/$150

Aug 29-$3,000/$400

Aug 30-$5,000/$400

Sept 2-$1,200/$200

I just want to keep this thread on the first page...   Interested to see if this has any creedance whatsoever.

So if true this new seris would pay 15k in point money to finish 15th in points while K-Ville pays 20k to win and you people think that it would have to avoid ruffling K-Villes feathers?

Drivers are gamblers. If they think they can make 75k and are pretty sure they can finish in the top 15 in points and at least get 15k they will ditch K-Ville in a heart beat if they have to.

This series could run against K-Ville. All I have heard about K-Ville for the past couple of years is how it is going down hill and trhings aren't the same.

Add in a little tow money and keep the purse money up throughout the field and you can bet this new series can do whatever it wants.

If Todd is the one who is involved he can sponsor a high dollar series for 3-4 years for what he spent on one outlaw team for one year. If Big Game is pulling in that kind of money year to year then the accountants are going to be looking for a way to continue to get rid of some money or else Todd loses it to taxes. Now would you rather throw a bunch of money at something you like and get some enjoyment out of it, or give it away in taxes and get nothing for it?