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classic straw man argument case - nobody with any credibility has said "intentional" that I have seen...except the people who are losing their minds THINKING someone said "intentional"!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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Exactly, when one is gonna give someone a " rooster" or give them " a right rear" how is it done? Isn't it by a quick mash of the gas? Sure could be intimidation gone way wrong. Terrible results just feel for all. Will be lots of what ifs . 

Roid Rage?

It all boils down to the fact that if Ward had stayed in his car until the safety crew arrived like MOST tracks require, he would still be here to be pissed off at Tony for as long as he could hold a grudge. Case over!

Absolutely! The one and only solid fact in this whole deal and more than likely will ever be the only solid fact. One decision started the whole chain of events, Kevin Ward jumping out of his car and running on the track, what transpired after that will be speculation forever.

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Waiting for an intellegent response from cubicdollars-----guess I can leave now!!!

1.  If Ward had stayed in his car, this doesn't happen

2.  If Tony stays off the throttle, this doesn't happen

Unfortunately, neither of these are true, so all that is left is did Stewart hit the throttle to avoid him or intimidate him?

None of us will every know.  He's the only one who will ever truly know, but the verdict on that is the only thing that really matters.  Either way, Ward is gone too soon and Tony Stewart has to live with this for the rest of his life.  Sad.

I keep hearing that Tony "hit the throttle" to me the video does not prove this to be true. Turn the sound off and watch the video in slow motion, I do not see any sudden acceleration, if anything the car speeds up a tad after impact but when the car hits an object it is very easy for the foot to unvolentarly bump the throttle. As we see many times when cas get upside down or make a big impact with something the throttle gets stepped on for a split second. 

Just how I see it. 

Sorry for my input.

Please everyone pick your pitchforks and torches back up and continue the lynch mob.

I agree with you, but he didn't stay in his car.

 
 
 
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Sound waves travel at different speed 

Here is another scenario for you, How do we know Tony was not looking at the gauges?  I know when the yellow comes on after I lift I cut the fuel back, lift my shield to get some air, and check the gauges.  So if hes glancing down he doesn't see Ward on the track until the last second, he twitches, which means maybe accidentally hit the gas.  Meanwhile Ward is trying to avoid getting hit at the last second, jumps on tony's car grabs the wing, and unfortunately cannot hang on.  I am purely speculating here, but there are many factors to consider that there is no way anybody aside from Tony can account for.  Even the right side of the car, when he got beside car, we have no idea exactly what happened.

I think that 95% of everybody feels that there was no malicious intent. however that doesn't bring Kevin back.  Its truly an unfortunate incident that yes could have been avoided.

Also, the staying in the car rule.  Very few tracks say anything about staying in the car if you are a wrecked car.  Only time I have seen anything is if the red comes out for something other than you and you want to get out to stretch your legs or help work on your car or anything else other than a safety issue.  Alot of times we feel more comfortable getting out of the car and assessing the car to see what we need to fix if anything can be fixed. 

This post is the 100% truth.

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Post the whole article, the part where his dad said he didn't even see it happen, only going off the same video we are... here i'll do it for ya. 

Kevin Ward Jr.'s father told the Syracuse (N.Y.) Post-Standard on Tuesday that his son 'slept with a smile on his face.'

In Kevin Ward Sr.'s first extensive remarks since his son was killed when he was struck by a car Tony Stewart was driving during a sprint car race at Canandaigua (N.Y.) Motorsports Park on Saturday, he said he didn't see the accident.

Instead, he was on a four-wheeler heading to a work area where a wrecked car might go. Ward Jr.'s car was spun into an outside wall and had a flat tire.

Ward Sr. also told the Post-Standard it was the first time he had seen his son, 20, exit his vehicle during a race...

Heres a post from his Grand Mother. 

My Grandson, Kevin Ward Jr was killed in an incident Saturday night. He has been racing go carts and all kinds of cars since he was 4 years old. He never got so upset in all that time that he got out of his car to confront another driver until Saturday night. 
Something happened to cause Kevin to be so upset. And I believe something happened before he was pushed into that wall destroying his car. Somebody saw something, somebody may have heard something. Please step forward and speak for Kevin because he can't speak for himself now.
Our entire family is in such pain that is so hard to bear. We are just trying to make since of this horrible tragedy that has happened.

hard to go against a grandmother but with all due respect to her all vid i have seen doesn't show tony pushing the kid into the wall or even touching him. i saw the kid run in on the cushion and tony slide up the track but leave a lane on the outside. the kid got back on the gas and tried to ride the cushion around tony and lost it. that is what i saw. from what i saw the kid has a lane.

anything that may have happened before that was more than likely just hard racing and if the kid thought he needed to get out of the car an confront tony about it, then that was his decision.

i find it hard to believe that anyone, tony included would try to roost or scare someone that close to them for any reason.

if tony was way down on the bottom and the kid was way up on top of the track flipping tony off and making gestures then MAYBE i could believe tony or someone in that situation MIGHT blip the throttle and blow the tires off in response to them.

to indy and beyond!!

This clearly a statment by someone completely one sided on the situation. Which is completely understandable given that it was his son hit. But going high to hog his son is a little bit of an overstatment, given that Kevin clearly runs down the track. This is a terrible situation/event. I just hope that everyone can lower their anger in time and go on with their lives. 

Real race cars don't have fenders...

The post says intimidate.  Intimidation could be accomplished without spraying dirt.  That is the issue that charges could be pursued under.  Stewart has secured the services of a high profile attorney according to one article I read today at work during break.  Another article stated that he retreated to an undiclosed distination in his private jet.  No word on whether he will attempt to race at Michigan.

I don't want it to be true that there was any intimidation involved but that certainly has been the case in the past.  I'd say throwing a helmet in the face of an Aussie promoter causing him to require stitches would come under the heading of intimidation (without throwing dirt).  Like I said in another thread, if this would have been some other NASCAR driver like Dave Blaney or Ken Schrader when they still had full time rides for example nobody would be asking these questions.  Both have an excellent reputation on and off the track.  Tony developed that reputation of having a temper and the occasional irrational behavior over the years and now it's coming back to haunt him.  Even if there was absolutely no attempt to intimidate (as I sincerely hope was the case) it's going to be very difficult for him to get past this. 

The whole mess makes me want to find other things to do for the rest of the summer.  This thing is deeply disturbing on many levels.

Stan Meissner

Seeing everyone get riled up in this thread is hilarious. Major anger and butthurt flowing.

Some of you guys really need to get out more.

Only Tony knows what his intentions were when he came into turn 1-2 and gassed it going by Keven Ward who was on the track displaying his anger toward Tony. . After watching the vidio I would have to believe that Tony did see him on the track and that is why he gassed it as Keven was coming down the track to point his anger to to send a message   . I will say Kevin Ward was wrong for getting out of his car and being on the track!

I call BULLSHIT.  Wouldn't there have been a NOTICEABLE car movement forward and lift or 'set' of the rear if he had gassed it?  I don't see any of that in any of the videos (normal or slow speed) 

Everyone keeps relying way too much on the sound on the video.  There are so many people acting like Tony's car was the only car on the track that night, so it's the only car that could've possibly made that noise.  That cell phone video was from the front stretch and the engine sound was clearly audible.  It seems much more likely that the sound came from an engine on the front stretch, while the camera was pointed in the direction of the accident.  So forget the sound and watch the video.  I'm assuming everyone on here is a sprint car fan, so you should all know what happens when you jump on the gas on a dry/slick track like they were on Saturday night.  You'll see a sudden change in direction of the car.  I don't believe you see that in the video.  This is an unbelievable tragedy that could've easily been avoided had Kevin stayed in his car.  Anyone who thinks that Tony had any malicious intent needs their head examined.  To me, he wouldn't even have had time to decide if he wanted to hit the kid with dirt.  Any movement he made was reactionary, similiar to when we drive down the road and an animal jumps out in front of your car.  You do anything possible to miss it.  We aren't always able to miss those animals no matter how hard we try.  Tony had a reaction to miss Kevin Ward Saturday night.  Unfortunately for everyone involved, it didn't work.