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Great meeting at TonyMoro's Body Shop on the Racesaver 305 series! Thanks Tony, for getting this organized and scheduled. A big thank you to Carl Jeffries as well. Looking forward to a great season.

So what happened?  Anything new.  It would be  interesting to get a report on this meeting.

The meeting went ok. Basically the IMCA guy talked up Racesaver. The promoters from Eagle and Crawford County were on hand. The Eagle promoter talked up Racesaver and why he went that way last year. They talked about running the washer’s and valve springs if you don’t have a Racesaver motor for this year. 

Tony Moro went over the changes coming to the Iowa State Fair Speedway this year and next year. He confirmed how committed he is to Racesaver and making sure the class will grow. Everyone seems to be excited about it. 

 The biggest issue we had was the talk of a Racesaver right rear tire rule. Everyone was pissed about it. They announced that Racesaver would have a spec Right Rear tire by July. It will be made by Hoosier and cost around $160 dollars. Right now there is only a durometer rule.  We all want an open tire rule period with the durometer specs that is currently in place. They claim it would save us all money. I can get a used tire for $40 dollars from any 360 team at Knoxville or now I can save money and get a $160 dollar tire I have to run. 

Hootus, my understanding was there is NO durometer spec / rule in place. Until July, I understood that any RR could be run. In addition, there is NO LR tire spec at all. This meeting was a good 1st step...when was the last time that 3 promoters got together to talk with racers? If anyone does not like the rules, race elsewhere. The Racesaver is here to stay. This is just my opinion...and I could be wrong!

4: A right rear bead lock is required. Bleeders will not be permitted. A right rear tire rule change may take place by mid 2014 .  Currently the Right rear minimum durometer point is 35. Left rear minimum tire durometer point will be 35. 

Above is the current tire rule copied from www.racesaver.com and thier rules.

Hootus, you are correct on the tire spec, my bad...the IMCA guy talked like there was NO durometer spec. I am just a casual race fan that wants the racesaver to be sucessful. 

Thanks for the clarification.

If you are going to have a tire rule it should be a durometer rule. Spec tires to one brand is a joke, it just drives up prices. One HUGE advantage for us running at Burlington was thier not specing a tire. They speced a RR for one season and we spent more on tires in that one year than we had the other 3 we had run there. We have been able to run others take offs to the tune of $10. to $20 a tire without issue. I can see a durometer rule being similar as it would still allow guys to scrounge some tires up. Tire rules that spec manufacturer just ends up helping the tire maker and hurting the racer. There are not as many used ones out there and for a lot of teams new ones are not an option. I would rather see 25 teams on used tires for 20 shows over 12 teams on new or fairly new tires for 20 shows with another 8 teams that are hit or miss. Take care of the little guy and have back markers. Hurt the little guy and have fewer cars right along with fewer people in the stands. (Or in the pits, which is where it seems that most tracks are counting on getting their money from these days anyway.)

Never hit stationary objects!

We have run a 305 in past but do not have one now.  I know rules are rules but I do not understand the no bleeder rule.  As raceing goes the bleeders do not cost much and last for years.  Which is best use of bleeders or guys starting with 6 pounds of air in right rear and 3.5 in left?  You could also  use nitrogen instead of air which also cost money for tank and hoses guage and refills.

I agree, stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Yahhh !!! lets let the tire over inflate during a race and wear it out faster, hell if we're lucky the thing might blow.

In my opinion it should be manditory to run them.

they have been runnin for years with no bleeders..so why all the bull now?

The no bleeder rule has been around since the inception of Race Saver.  In Central PA, our 305 class we do not allow for anything in the wheel except for the valve stem.  You cannot even run the recepticle.  I know it seems kind of feeble in the grand scheme of things, but the main point behind that is if there is no recepticle for the bleeder than there is no way you can even run a bleeder at all...meaning a more even playing field and less chance for arguement.

The point behind it is when the series was created, some guys could afford them and some guys couldn't.  So those that could afford them, if they could get them, it was seen as an advantage.  Even today, its cheaper to just buy valve stems and put in your wheels rather than buying the whole bleeder kit.  Plus its another thing to constantly maintain. 

Finally, we run Port Royal, Williams Grove, Selinsgrove , the big half miles, and I can tell you that we have never seen a tire blow from getting too hot and building too much, also never seen a tire go flat from a bleeder sticking.  I have been running with the 305's since 2008 and have yet to see my tires gain any more than 1-1 1/2 lbs in any race.    We do nothing different than anybody else, and I have never seen or heard a competitor say that they needed a bleeder from building too much pressure. 

You got to remember, we are running approximately 350 less horsepower than the 410's and approximately 200-250 less than the 360's.  There's not enough power to the track...yet.

Completely agree. We starting running Burlington in 2008. I have never put a bleeder in any of my wheels. We are allowed to run them there, but we have never seen a pressure gain of more than 1 1/2 pounds and have never had a tire swell more than 1/2 inch.  I have also seen guys have tires go down on yellows because of stuck bleeders, so the end result with them can go either way. If I don't need the added headache and the advantage is relatively small I am not going to waste my time. The 305's are not the same animal as a healthy 360 or 410.

Never hit stationary objects!

There is no bull now, just a question.  Remember there is a difference between running Racesaver class and running IMCA that uses ENGINE rule only and rest is to be debated.