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Ok here is the next round of news from the Iowa State Fair Speedway!!! We have just received information from the new owner of the Race Saver Series. "Engines not conforming to IMCA Race Saver rules will have new requirements. They are required to Install 1.077 restrictors on the stacks, and use Race Saver legal valve springs"!

This is only currently an option for the 2014 Season!

Well, now no one has an excuse not to come run their Sprint Car at the Iowa State Fair Speedway!!!!!

Ive heard a rumor that when the track goes to 3/8. This series will become non wing. I think this would be awesome to have a non wing series in Iowa.

Novice non wing drivers racing for next to nothing.  Hope it is just a rumor.

My worthless opinions (and I'm sure I'll get beat-up by because of it) I'd still like for all the 305 groups get together and come up with ONE set of rules that EVERYONE would agree on so drivers can go from one track to another without changing a lot of equipment.

Iowa State Fairgrounds becoming a 3/8's sounds awesome, look forward to it, If we're luck maybe they'll try a 410 or 360 somenight, althought  it might be tuff to draw a crownd because it has become known as a stockcar track, and it draws a lot from the eastside of Des Moines were its located (and to the idiot in another post earlier it's NOT A BAD SIDE OF TOWN - lot of very good people live in that area).

The rumer about it becoming non-wing have not heard that until now. While I'd LOVE to see a non-wing deal, I'm concerned that that might also scare off driver who have never raced non-wing.

I believe that Tony will do a good job running the program - BUT he might find out he might have a simuliar problem that Knoxville has it's called the Fair Board. These people want the money and that is one reason they wanted to turn it into a parking lot - so they could park more cars and make more money during the State Fair.

WOW THIS IS GREAT NEWS...GUYS FROM BURLINGTON ..JACKSON MN ...KNOXVILLE..JACKSONVILLE IL..CAN COME HAVE A RACE AT DES MOINES OR DENISON ON A FRIDAY NIGHT ..WITH JUST MINOR CHANGES..NO SPECIAL TIRES OR WEIGHT RULES..GREAT JOB TONY MORO AND JOE MILLER..HELPING TO GET SPRINTCAR RACING TO BE AROUND FOR YEARS TO COME

If I read it correct the Sprint Invader 360 will race at Des Moines this year one time.

promoters from all 305 tracks need to get a driver /owner meeting in the next couple weeks..and all the myths can be put to bed

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Kustomincorp that's exactlly what I've been saying forever - ALL THE  PROMOTERS need to get together - check their egos at the door when they walk in and decide what is good for the WHOLE 305 CLASS - not just what is good for IMCA - not just what is good for Knoxville - not just what is good for Jackson - not just what is good for Eagle - not what is just good for their OWN track but what is good for all the tracks that run 305's.

Make sure the rules are such so that a driver can race anywhere on a Friday night and go anywhere on a Saturday etc. and not have to change a bunch of parts, I understand changing bars and shocks and small parts, but make the rules so the engines are the same and the tires and wheels are the same.

It really can't be that hard to do people - JUST CHECK YOUR EGOS and remember its for the good of ALL Sprint Car Racing, these 305 drivers are Our future 360 and 410 drivers.

kustomcorp is correct, but optimistic. Getting 2 promoters together is next to impossible, yet alone 5 or 6 of them!  If they would talk & come to agree to 1 set of rules, (I'd go with Racesaver) it would benifit the racers & the PROMOTERS ! If we don't get together soon, the only thing we will have is pictures, videos, & memories. 

Let's not be like our government...let's work this out!

JMO

Im not here to argue so let me first say that I completely argee on having one set of rules. But I will have to say Knoxville has been very good on listening to the racers and keeping their rules consistent.  Everyone on the racesaver bandwagon might want to check prices of front running racesaver engines. From what ive seen they are between 15-20k. You can build a competitive Knoxville engine for that. I think what will really help the longevity of the engines in Des Moines is when the go to 3/8 mile and it wil have very little to do with the racesaver package. Good luck to everyone involved in Des Moines.

Just for some information, Jackson has dropped the 305 Sprint Car class from their program.

Isn't Knoxville rules just NO rules and no tech?

Didn't know Jackson had dropped their 305 class, was just using them along with everyone else as an example of where drivers might beable to go if there was only 1 set of Rules. 

WOW 15K to 20K for a "Racesaver" surprizes Me.

Looks like Knoxville has about 17 rules. As far as Teching I don't know about that, but I'm sure they probably do, if not maybe someone needs to complain.

This Class has a lot of potential if everyone gets on the same page but if not it's going to end up like the 360's everyone running different rules. It just needs everyone to sit down and talk - be willing to give a little.

I'll counter with this when it comes to rules for wheels are tires.

One group wants steel wheels only I'm sure (becuase they are "cheaper" while another group allows aluminum wheels becuase their teams can pick them up used from 410 or 360 teams becuase they are "cheaper" than brand new steel wheels).

Same goes for tires, used tires from a 360 or 410 team may be cheaper than new "hard as rocks" tires and last the same amount of time.

Engines - that is a debate that deserves it's own message board.  Engines are different for every track.  the surface, track size, weather conditions, etc., etc. all have some sort of affect on an engine.  1 flat "engine rule" won't always work as some packages are great for short tracks where drivers are on and off the gas alot and others are better on big tracks where you are running high RPM's all the time.  Even the Outlaws for years have had to adapt their engine package to run all types and sizes of tracks (yet most have specific engines they run at the big tracks like WG, Knoxville and the like that are better there than they are on a tight 1/4 mile and vice versa).

Good luck getting promotors to agree, you're gonna need it!

I do not agree with you on engines.  A different engine for different tracks would only be for the big time pros.  The gear ratio takes care of most of this with shocks and T bars.  I doubt if WOO teams have very few special engines.  Maybe a engine for super dry tracks, but you do not see teams change engines except when something is wrong with it normally.  Alum rims are only way to go.  You can repair with new rim halfs and they will bend and cause less damage to rest of car than steel.  Tires, run what every one else runs, Hoosier and same compounds.  I could be  wrong.

I think you'd be surprised at the difference in engine packages out there.  Why do you think some guys are awesome on the big tracks but their engines don't perform on the short tracks.

The power band is at a certain RPM and that is in the engine package (crank, rods, etc.).  You can do some things with the gear, but I remember when Sammy took over the Big Game ride he stated that they needed to work on their engine program because the motors were all set up for big tracks like Knoxville and he needed a different package that allowed you to run all different types and sizes of tracks.

305's and 360's are no different.  you can do certain things to the motors to make them stronger on certain types of tracks.  An engine that is superior at one track may be a back-marker at another.

Back to the original topic about promoors not being able to get promotors to agree.... 

WELL ITS HAPPENING..NEXT WEEKEND 4/22/14.....4 PROMOTORS SO FAR ...MABEY A FEW MORE  WILL JUMP ON BOARD DURING THE NEXT 8 DAYS

and how did this work out for Sammy?  Bad year last year for him and starting out the same this year.