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vande77
July 03, 2013 at 07:50:06 AM
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Listened to Winged Nation yesterday and Brian Stickel said that there will be a 25th starting spot in the Nationals this year. Sounded like the highest finishing car in the World Challenge on Friday night that doesn't get into Saturday's finale' either via Wed, Thurs, Fri, or the B on Saturday will get to line up 25th.

Said they are trying to put more importance on the World Challenge for the competitors. Seems like a good move to me, what's everyone else think?




The Vision
July 03, 2013 at 07:58:55 AM
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Posted By: vande77 on July 03 2013 at 07:50:06 AM

Listened to Winged Nation yesterday and Brian Stickel said that there will be a 25th starting spot in the Nationals this year. Sounded like the highest finishing car in the World Challenge on Friday night that doesn't get into Saturday's finale' either via Wed, Thurs, Fri, or the B on Saturday will get to line up 25th.

Said they are trying to put more importance on the World Challenge for the competitors. Seems like a good move to me, what's everyone else think?



I guess it's okay. Of course, there's a fair chance some slug who has no business being in the Nationals A-Main could end up in the race because of the Worthless World Challenge.

Outside of renaming the Nationals A-Main the World Challenge, you'll never get me excited about the Worthless World Challenge.


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kooks
July 03, 2013 at 08:30:15 AM
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Since they've been so worried about safety and carnage in the heat races and quit inverting the WHOLE heat races I hope they are worried about this move putting a slow car into the biggest race of the year and make some guidelines that must be met.


Such as having a TT lap that is in the top 2/3's of their qualifying night.


Anyone with a TT lap of 35 on back has NO business getting into the Sat A.

Before everyone says it couldn't happen, remember that the Donny Schatz Challenge gets inverted by points. Guys with very few points tend to be on the slower side of things.



FWIW, I'm a fan of not trying to fix things that are not broke.

All these changes in the qualifying format, IMO, kind of cheapen up the whole deal.


What's next? A provisional for every weekly 410 track and 410 touring series?











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vanh
July 03, 2013 at 09:22:58 AM
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Posted By: kooks on July 03 2013 at 08:30:15 AM

Since they've been so worried about safety and carnage in the heat races and quit inverting the WHOLE heat races I hope they are worried about this move putting a slow car into the biggest race of the year and make some guidelines that must be met.


Such as having a TT lap that is in the top 2/3's of their qualifying night.


Anyone with a TT lap of 35 on back has NO business getting into the Sat A.

Before everyone says it couldn't happen, remember that the Donny Schatz Challenge gets inverted by points. Guys with very few points tend to be on the slower side of things.



FWIW, I'm a fan of not trying to fix things that are not broke.

All these changes in the qualifying format, IMO, kind of cheapen up the whole deal.


What's next? A provisional for every weekly 410 track and 410 touring series?










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dsc1600
July 03, 2013 at 09:26:09 AM
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I don't like it at all. It could very easily take some of the drama out of Saturday's B Main.

Consider last year, Sammy racing like crazy to get into the show, wouldn't have needed to under this new format.




chilly
July 03, 2013 at 09:29:02 AM
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This message was edited on July 03, 2013 at 09:30:13 AM by chilly
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Posted By: kooks on July 03 2013 at 08:30:15 AM

Since they've been so worried about safety and carnage in the heat races and quit inverting the WHOLE heat races I hope they are worried about this move putting a slow car into the biggest race of the year and make some guidelines that must be met.


Such as having a TT lap that is in the top 2/3's of their qualifying night.


Anyone with a TT lap of 35 on back has NO business getting into the Sat A.

Before everyone says it couldn't happen, remember that the Donny Schatz Challenge gets inverted by points. Guys with very few points tend to be on the slower side of things.



FWIW, I'm a fan of not trying to fix things that are not broke.

All these changes in the qualifying format, IMO, kind of cheapen up the whole deal.


What's next? A provisional for every weekly 410 track and 410 touring series?










I tend to agree... getting cheaper.

It's never been easier for Schatz to win the Nationals. Why? 1) They cut the heat invert to 8 ... 2) Added laps to the Sat A-Main so it was 40 and now 50 ... 3) Built in a 'mulligan' night, which is Friday ... and 4) Gave him yet another chance with the World Challenge provisional.

In the past, if you had bad luck on your qualifying night Wed/Thurs, the best you could start on Sat was 11th in the C (that's IF you won the non-qual feature Fri night). Now you can flip, blow a motor, call in drunk, -whatever- on your qual night... unload on Friday, win the feature, and start 17th in the A Sat. If you're a good driver & have a good car, winning from 17th or anywhere in the field is very possible in 50 laps.

Schatz was really good when the invert was 10 and the feature on Sat was 30 laps. Now he has an even better shot with all these other options. He's good enough that he probably doesn't need all this crap that could potentially benefit him... but I pretty much have given up hope on bad luck forcing him out of the A on Sat. If he doesn't win this year, he's going to have to break in the A on Sat (like he did in 2010).



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July 03, 2013 at 09:39:57 AM
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Why would they do something so dumb ? If you dont Race your way in, you shouldnt be given a spot. Thats why I enjoy this Race so much, that and the Kings Royal. You dont make it, you sit and watch. No provisionals, or any garbage like this.

vande77
July 03, 2013 at 09:51:02 AM
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I kinda like it from this standpoint. A guy like Lucas Wolfe (that had a TERRIBLE Nationals 2 years ago), won the World Challenge race that year (highlight of their week).

While I despise Provisionals, this still puts emphasis on RACING in the World Challenge in my opinion. If you are a "slow" car, your odds of being one of those cars at the front of the World Challenge are slim to none as well (especially when you consider the talent that has been in the event the last few years (Schatz, Sammy, Shaeffer, Shane Stewart, Kerry Madsen, Ian Madsen, Joey Saldana).

The big thing for me is forcing them to race on Saturday night (in whatever feature, if you don't finish the feature you are in, you don't get the spot (so no start the B and pull in since your spot is secure).




thowell29
July 03, 2013 at 09:53:30 AM
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He did not say it was the highest finishing person that is not qualified. He said if you have not qualified yet for the A main and you finish in the top 3, you would get the 25th spot. So Sammy would have been in last year.

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July 03, 2013 at 09:58:39 AM
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I really don't like this. Like someone said, I will never get that excited over the World Challenge. I understand they are trying to add some more punch to the Friday night show and last year they did that by making the non-qualy show have meaning to the A main. However, I highly doubt this move will make anyone that was planning on coming not come, so in a way this is a no risk, some reward situation. I'll be there regardless. Is it August yet?

MoOpenwheel
July 03, 2013 at 10:07:49 AM
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It's the biggest sprint car race in the world. It shouldn't be easy to get into and everyone who enters should have the same chance. It's all about what you do that week. What you've done the rest of the year should have no bearing. I liked the changes last year to give them another way in on Fri. But that opportunity is available to everyone. I'm not a fan of this world challenge provisional because it's only available to the ones who qualified for that race. It almost seems like a gimmick to get more guys to run those qualifying races to get into the world challenge race. To me the Nationals has always and should always stand on it's own. I see no need to let other events influence it. jmo.


chilly
July 03, 2013 at 10:17:51 AM
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It's the biggest sprint car race in the world. It shouldn't be easy to get into and everyone who enters should have the same chance. It's all about what you do that week. What you've done the rest of the year should have no bearing. I liked the changes last year to give them another way in on Fri. But that opportunity is available to everyone. I'm not a fan of this world challenge provisional because it's only available to the ones who qualified for that race. It almost seems like a gimmick to get more guys to run those qualifying races to get into the world challenge race. To me the Nationals has always and should always stand on it's own. I see no need to let other events influence it. jmo.


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July 03, 2013 at 10:27:40 AM
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I don't care for this addition. I understand what they are trying to do but it's a bad idea.

Every one of the 24 drivers EARNED their way in within the same, difficult format. I've often told people the best racing takes place on Wednesday and Thursday. Friday is sort of a waste and the feature is somewhat anti climatic. Wed & Thursday TT, Heat Races and Feature are the best racing of the year. I want to see all the drivers give their best and EARN that starting spot. The allows a racer to have a "mulligan" which is not fair.

Don't forget, doesn't it pay $5,000 to start the Nationals A Main?? That is more money than probably 95% of all sprint car A mains in the country.



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Posted By: budz76 on July 03 2013 at 10:27:40 AM

I don't care for this addition. I understand what they are trying to do but it's a bad idea.

Every one of the 24 drivers EARNED their way in within the same, difficult format. I've often told people the best racing takes place on Wednesday and Thursday. Friday is sort of a waste and the feature is somewhat anti climatic. Wed & Thursday TT, Heat Races and Feature are the best racing of the year. I want to see all the drivers give their best and EARN that starting spot. The allows a racer to have a "mulligan" which is not fair.

Don't forget, doesn't it pay $5,000 to start the Nationals A Main?? That is more money than probably 95% of all sprint car A mains in the country.



It pays $9,500 to finish last in the A on Saturday.


chilly
July 03, 2013 at 10:49:12 AM
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Posted By: budz76 on July 03 2013 at 10:27:40 AM

I don't care for this addition. I understand what they are trying to do but it's a bad idea.

Every one of the 24 drivers EARNED their way in within the same, difficult format. I've often told people the best racing takes place on Wednesday and Thursday. Friday is sort of a waste and the feature is somewhat anti climatic. Wed & Thursday TT, Heat Races and Feature are the best racing of the year. I want to see all the drivers give their best and EARN that starting spot. The allows a racer to have a "mulligan" which is not fair.

Don't forget, doesn't it pay $5,000 to start the Nationals A Main?? That is more money than probably 95% of all sprint car A mains in the country.



You may want to re-fresh yourself on the HUGE format change they made last year. 16 guys earn their way into the show within the same, difficult format on Wed/Thurs. 4 more earn their way into the show Friday under a different and (possibly) slightly easier format. The final 4 cars come from the B. Last year, the best racing of the week was on Friday... we'll see how this year plays out.



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July 03, 2013 at 11:02:35 AM
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"Why would they do something so dumb ? If you dont Race your way in, you shouldnt be given a spot"

It's the new "way" of America. Don't worry about working for it...we will just "give" it to you. Never thought Congress would get involved in dirt car racing!


 
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