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June 13, 2013 at
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For Christ's sake, some of you guys are just cold, and have no clue about life. A man died, a racer died, a Father died, and all you Morons care to do is argue. Who cares what, where, when, why? Save it for another day.. Geez Louise, let the man's family and loved one's grieve before you put your stupidity out there for all to see. You know what they say: Better to be thought of as a cold, heartless moron than to open your mouth and prove it to the world. Please Jason, forgive the ignorant and Rest In Peace.
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 13 2013 at 03:56:50 PM
For Christ's sake, some of you guys are just cold, and have no clue about life. A man died, a racer died, a Father died, and all you Morons care to do is argue. Who cares what, where, when, why? Save it for another day.. Geez Louise, let the man's family and loved one's grieve before you put your stupidity out there for all to see. You know what they say: Better to be thought of as a cold, heartless moron than to open your mouth and prove it to the world. Please Jason, forgive the ignorant and Rest In Peace.
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Agreed.... Racing is inherently dangerous and everyone knows the risks involved. Mourn for his family and the others who have fallen before him doing what we all love.
More weight, more regulation, more similarity in the
cars.... that will ensure plenty of thrills for years
to come. Only the most average talent behind the
wheel will be needed with such awesome equipment on
the track!
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June 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 13 2013 at 03:56:50 PM
For Christ's sake, some of you guys are just cold, and have no clue about life. A man died, a racer died, a Father died, and all you Morons care to do is argue. Who cares what, where, when, why? Save it for another day.. Geez Louise, let the man's family and loved one's grieve before you put your stupidity out there for all to see. You know what they say: Better to be thought of as a cold, heartless moron than to open your mouth and prove it to the world. Please Jason, forgive the ignorant and Rest In Peace.
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Or maybe there's people around this message board who care about driver's safety? Just a thought.
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June 13, 2013 at
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If, God forbid, something was to happen to your Son, I am thinking that you would not want people going on their favorite sounding board and talking about it. Good luck in all that you come across in racing, but you miss my point. I am not saying that this shouldn't be addressed, but the BULLSHIT about make this safer, we have to do this, crap. This broke, that broke.....Saying it on here? THAT CAN WAIT. The instituting of safety measures I am all for, it's just the ignorance of some of these people so soon after. Safety should ALWAYS take a front seat, and should be instituted at all times. Let the family mourn.
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June 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 13 2013 at 05:10:50 PM
If, God forbid, something was to happen to your Son, I am thinking that you would not want people going on their favorite sounding board and talking about it. Good luck in all that you come across in racing, but you miss my point. I am not saying that this shouldn't be addressed, but the BULLSHIT about make this safer, we have to do this, crap. This broke, that broke.....Saying it on here? THAT CAN WAIT. The instituting of safety measures I am all for, it's just the ignorance of some of these people so soon after. Safety should ALWAYS take a front seat, and should be instituted at all times. Let the family mourn.
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I'd tend to think making proper safety changes to limit the possibility of another racer being killed or severely injured would be the best way to honor a fallen driver, and that can easily be started with a discussion. People are going to discuss current events - it's not disrespect in any form. Would I have this discussion with the family or friends of someone lost in an accident? No. Would I have it in an open forum dedicated to the act in which that person was lost? Of course.
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June 13, 2013 at
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Maddog it is a discussion about the safety of the sport in general and when is a "good time" to talk about it? You say heartless and I see it the other way around. Concern for the drivers and those who work in the pits and fans in the stands.
Other forms of motorsports like Nascar, NHRA, Indy Car they all have teams of engineers looking at car designs and safety. Problem is with dirt racing like Sprints and Late Models you really don't have a team of engineers working problems like that. Maybe teams like Stewarts and Kahnes with the NASCAR connections they have could get some engineers involved in the safety aspect of these cars.
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June 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: Highspeedirt on June 13 2013 at 05:57:01 PM
Maddog it is a discussion about the safety of the sport in general and when is a "good time" to talk about it? You say heartless and I see it the other way around. Concern for the drivers and those who work in the pits and fans in the stands.
Other forms of motorsports like Nascar, NHRA, Indy Car they all have teams of engineers looking at car designs and safety. Problem is with dirt racing like Sprints and Late Models you really don't have a team of engineers working problems like that. Maybe teams like Stewarts and Kahnes with the NASCAR connections they have could get some engineers involved in the safety aspect of these cars.
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Well said.
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June 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: Highspeedirt on June 13 2013 at 05:57:01 PM
Maddog it is a discussion about the safety of the sport in general and when is a "good time" to talk about it? You say heartless and I see it the other way around. Concern for the drivers and those who work in the pits and fans in the stands.
Other forms of motorsports like Nascar, NHRA, Indy Car they all have teams of engineers looking at car designs and safety. Problem is with dirt racing like Sprints and Late Models you really don't have a team of engineers working problems like that. Maybe teams like Stewarts and Kahnes with the NASCAR connections they have could get some engineers involved in the safety aspect of these cars.
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They are safe.
I read the paper everyday and read about automobile accidents that have taken lives.
Apparently General Motors, Ford, Chrysler, etc...don't have engineers to make these cars safer?
do it in the dirt
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I think Invocations should be required prior to the start of every sprint car event...
If for nothing more than, to put things in perspective...
Opinions may vary...
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They can slow the cars down all they want and drop the standard down to 360 or 305 or 250 or 140 for all they want but tragedies like this will still happen. If you want safer barriers then say good-bye to over half the dirt tracks in the country because the cost is too high. We as fans never want to see this happen and we can throw all kinds of suggestions and opinions out there to make the drivers safer but it is still up to the drivers, manufacturers, and promoters to police the sport. We need to send sympathy and support to a family and a child who just lost a son and a father.
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June 13, 2013 at
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The most severe injuries in racing are brain injuries caused by a sudden jolt or impact that actually cause the brain ,,,that is surrounded by liquid to shift inside the scull . Helmets can't prevent this and the key is to somehow soften impact. Safer barriers in nascar have helped alot but jmo this is the major hurdle for all of motorsports at high speeds.Side to side cushion helps but the front to back causes the most damage. I know nobody wants more body restraints but this is in alot of cases the problem. Just trying to get some ideas on how to help. I
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June 13, 2013 at
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NASCAR runs a season with only a handful of tracks, I believe we need to look at every track that runs sprint cars and pick only the best and make them safer for the fans and drivers and crews. The added cost could be made up with better attendance at less tracks. Look back 20-30-40 years ago at the 5/8 to mile tracks that have been cut down or closed because cars can and will go faster every year, look back when outlaw cars cut the max cubic inches down to 410. I remember when a 16-17 second lap at Knoxville was gettin it. Just throwing out some thoughts. Thanks for the memories Jason.
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June 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 13 2013 at 03:56:50 PM
For Christ's sake, some of you guys are just cold, and have no clue about life. A man died, a racer died, a Father died, and all you Morons care to do is argue. Who cares what, where, when, why? Save it for another day.. Geez Louise, let the man's family and loved one's grieve before you put your stupidity out there for all to see. You know what they say: Better to be thought of as a cold, heartless moron than to open your mouth and prove it to the world. Please Jason, forgive the ignorant and Rest In Peace.
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What do you mean by "who cares what, where, when, why"? I would say every driver, owner and crew member wants to know the answers to these questions. Why, to make their car safer and to keep it from happening again. There with be 100's, maybe 1,000's of sprint cars racing tomorrow night. If something is to be learned from this tradgedy, then I want all race teams to have as much lead time as posible to make adjustments and inspect their car before pushing off tomorrow night. RIP Jason Leffler
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June 13, 2013 at
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I work at a GM Assembly plant. Our safety motto is "All accidents can be prevented". This is the mindset that everyone at the plant has. This is the mindset that everyone needs at the race track. To gloss over it and say "it is the risk we take" is silly . To gloss over it and say "the time is not right to talk about this" is equally silly.
This is the absolutely correct time to talk about when it is fresh in everybody's mind. When there is some energy around the topic. There are so many things that can be done to improve our sport it is not even funny. Some have already been mentioned like poor track layouts. Others are equally easy: poor fencing, no fencing, or worse yet telephone poles as part of the catch fence. Jersey barricades or walls without a fence above them are some of the worst safety items that we have. (Shane Hmiel) If you have a chain link fence above a wall, it greatly decreases the odds of the cage landing directly on the wall.
I know that NASCAR spends millions of dollars on Safer bariers, but I have no idea why. Have you every looked at the design of a safer wall? There is not much to them.
Ambulance services, fire services are also an area where most tracks could greatly improve.
All of this energy is spent and we have not even started looking at the car.
NASCAR has shown us that if you put effort into your safety program you can get big results. Let's hope that the sprint car community can learn like NASCAR did. Else, we will be having this exact same conversation in the future.
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I have been racing sprint cars for many years. And it all comes down to the point that these cars are going way to fast. If you make the cars so called safer by thicker tubing and things like that , the human body can not with stand the impact from the g-forces that would be generated. These cars shear the front ends off like butter and the same thickness tubing goes right over our heads. Thank God he is watching over us racers threw some viscous crashes. The big thing is slow the cars down, the drivers will be safer and the fans will see a much better race.
May God be with the Leffler family through these tough times. RIP Leffler
God watch over all us racers this weekend as we go racing.
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Posted By: tx3587 on June 13 2013 at 08:35:23 PM
What do you mean by "who cares what, where, when, why"? I would say every driver, owner and crew member wants to know the answers to these questions. Why, to make their car safer and to keep it from happening again. There with be 100's, maybe 1,000's of sprint cars racing tomorrow night. If something is to be learned from this tradgedy, then I want all race teams to have as much lead time as posible to make adjustments and inspect their car before pushing off tomorrow night. RIP Jason Leffler
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My point to that statement was this: There is a time and a place for this talk, and I felt in reading some of the posts, that not even 24 hours after the man lost his life, people are on here saying this, saying that. I just was asking who, what, where, when, why can't this be talked about after those involved have time to grieve. It just seemed cold that more was poured into those questions of the wreck instead of thinking good thoughts for his family. According to those who addressed my statements, I am wrong. Have at it boys......
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Posted By: sprint2j on June 13 2013 at 08:29:28 PM
NASCAR runs a season with only a handful of tracks, I believe we need to look at every track that runs sprint cars and pick only the best and make them safer for the fans and drivers and crews. The added cost could be made up with better attendance at less tracks. Look back 20-30-40 years ago at the 5/8 to mile tracks that have been cut down or closed because cars can and will go faster every year, look back when outlaw cars cut the max cubic inches down to 410. I remember when a 16-17 second lap at Knoxville was gettin it. Just throwing out some thoughts. Thanks for the memories Jason.
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At a time like this there is always emotion involved. I have been around sprint car racing now for 6 decades. Be careful what you wish for. To compare NASCAR with our style of racing is just not applicable. On any given weekend throughout the country there are more laps, participants, etc. than an entire season of NASCAR or Indy Car. In most cases these go off without a hitch. These accidents should be investigated in hopes of learning from them, but if one believes that requiring small, local tracks to come up to the standards of NASCAR, they will soon be out of business and our type of racing will soon be only a memory. Is racing safer today than in the past, most certainly. The ratio of racing fatalities to the volume of racing is much better than in the past. Improvements in this area will only come when experts (drivers, mechanics, builders, organizers, track owners, safety engineers,etc.) are allowed to dispassionately evaluate situations and make pragmatic and attainable changes which do not destroy the very thing we are trying to preserve.
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A more economical type of safer barrier would be beneficial. Maybe just for the half mile or above tracks?
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we are all grieving here maddog, including you! we need to vent and grieve in our own personal way ! we need to talk about it to help relieve the pain.
through all bad situations in life, including this one, lessons can be learned. now is the time for safety to be discussed.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on June 13 2013 at 03:37:02 PM
For starters, I think a 5/8 mile track is too big for a sprint car. Speeds reportedly were 160 mph on the straights.
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This type of tragic situation exists each & every night at any local venue. Alot of things can happen that can lead to tragic results. Maybe they will learn possibly what may have caused this.
It is something a driver excepts when he sits down & buckles up.
For all the Johnny come lately fans who think they know what happened or what can prevent this or that just remember Jason will be missed, but he will have left us doing what he loved to do!!! RIP
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