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$5,000 to win ASCS 305 Sprint Car Shootout - March 16-17, 2012 - Payout both days....$750 to win on the first night....$5,000 to win the second night....weekend will be run on 2 day ASCS format.

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Ok...Whats a ASCS 305? Nothing on the ASCS website about 305s. Only thing I found was a track in Virginia that called their class ASCS 305s. Looked at their rules and they let you run either "Racesaver" or the All-Pro 305-23 head. Are these set of rules your ASCS rules? If so. Who polices the All-Pro head?

It's the format of the race, like ASCS. Usually passing points. Maybe qualifiers.

We raced at virginia motor speedway and we ran a 305 racesaver engine rule with a ascs chassis rule. The pro heads where added and then the following year the class was dropped. I'm pretty sure they are running a ascs format.

Scott

I called them. It is ASCS car rules with a 1500lb weight with driver after race and ASCS Medium Rr tire. RaceSaver motor rules and they say the ASCS is going to sanction 305's this year with the same motor and same head from Brodix that Racesaver runs. So, a Racesaver 305 and an ASCS 305 will be exactly alike except that ASCS measures the valve spring at 1/2 inch opening and not closed. Also ASCS gives 1% tolerance on the valve lift.

Sounds like a good deal for 305s/ if someone like ASCS takes them on and makes it nationwide like they did the 350 cars.

I like it. I think..

Still don't sound the same to me. If its a true racesaver ascs engine then there ain't no difference in measuring or anything. Are they going to be under the racesaver title or will it be a ascs 305 class that uses the 305 head? Just wondering The details.

So it isn't open to any of the midwest motors this year like it has been in the past?

Yes, we still allow the Midwest 305's to run. They will be under a `100 lb weight penalty justlike before. 1600lbs for Midwest 305.s

Also what the person before was saying was that on the spring testing we will be measuring the spring tension at 1/2 open. max of 355lbs just like RaceSaver. Racesaver motors are 100% legal.

Did anyone from the midwest attened last year?

Dan, I know that Bill Boles,this years Jackson, Minnesota 305 Champ, ran Russel Weise's car there last year. Don't remember how he did. I think that Alan would do very well there.

Never hit stationary objects!

The whole point of a racesaver engine is that money will not buy you a significant advantage, last time I went to a 360 ascs race money ran up front all night long. If ascs 305 motors are not going to be sealed in front of a qualified tech like racesaver engines are, and only pumped and springs pulled and your track is going to 305 ascs motors, then last year was the last time that a guy with limited funds and sponsors had any kind of chance of winning a race, and by the way I do race a 305 racesaver class with limited funds and have been lucky enough to win a couple of main events against guys that spend 10 to 20 times more than me, if 305 ascs engines are going to be unsealed and " teched" the way they do there 360, then the money guys finally found a way to screw up the only sprint car class that makes any sense for a guy like me, a racer that supports his hometown track every weekend because he knows he can be competetive on a very limited budget and winning every time out is not as important as having fun doing what I love, Sprint Car Racing

I agree with you. Ive been on both side of the sanction non sanction 305 class. the problem is a engine builder wanted to change this so he can do what he wanted to them after his engines where questionable. These heads will now cost more. Something worked so well someone else has to try make it there own instead of leaving it. Why so they can race for more of a payout and have a higher sanction fee. BTW.. there are two new groups this year running under the racesaver in the northeast, must be working.

Isn't the racesaver pay structure a lot different than most? It pays good to start, but does not go up much? I remember reading how the delta between first place and last place was under $100. The idea was to spread the money out so more people could hit the track.

Not sure if this is part of the ASCS business model.

Frankly, I am a little tired of ASCS trying to be all things to all people. Remember when ASCS had a winged 410 division? Remember when ASCS had a non-wing 410 division? Remember when ASCS was going to save midget racing? And now ASCS is in the 305 division. I wish they would just concentrate on thier 360 program.

Tthe average sprint car purse pays the winner 10 times the amount earned by the 24th place car? Races run under RACESAVER® plan pay the 24th starter at least 1/2 of the winner's purse. A typical purse would pay the winner between $150 to $300 and the 24th starter $100 to $150. No, that isn't a lot of money, but that is exactly the plan. Big money, brings big problems. You can be competitive for under $150 per night. Now you can race, pay the mortgage, and send the kids to school.

I am confused, is this actually a new ASCS sanctioned event or are they just using the ASCS rules except for the engine. If its NOT a ASCS sanctioned event than I am suprised they are using ASCS in their fliers as if to make it look like a real ASCS event. Using the name without paying the sanctioning fees. I guess I could promote a race and put World of Outlaws Sprint Cars on all the promotional material but than say, I just mean World of Outlaws rules. That probably wouldnt fly with the WRG.

I dont want to imply that the promoters of this event are doing anything wrong I am just confused on how this all would work.

Being Competitive for under a $150.00 a night is so full of crap. You can pay the mortgage and send the kids to school, gag me with a broom stick a spoon is not big enough. The minimum it cost to show up and race, and I said just show up is about $150.00 to $200.00. You may be competitive but you cant afford to keep the car running.