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catpuppy
July 20, 2011 at 08:41:22 PM
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What would they be and why?


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JORSKI 73
July 20, 2011 at 10:01:03 PM
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SPORT MODS- because they are the biggest class in the state and probably the most competitive . Second would be an injected sprint car class prob ASCS rules ... Third would be an IMCA type stock car class . Those three cover all the aspects of dirt track racing and would probably best accommodate the racers in our state .
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1dirtracer
July 20, 2011 at 11:46:10 PM
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Posted By: JORSKI 73 on July 20 2011 at 10:01:03 PM
SPORT MODS- because they are the biggest class in the state and probably the most competitive . Second would be an injected sprint car class prob ASCS rules ... Third would be an IMCA type stock car class . Those three cover all the aspects of dirt track racing and would probably best accommodate the racers in our state .


Three makes it tough. I think four would be good. Jorski had some good ideas, only problem I see, if you look at the rules, each of those cars (to build race ready) will cost more than $10,000. That is why I think 4 classes make most sense.

1. Sportmod- got to have it, seems to be best car count at every track

2. Bomber- Entry level class that would cost less than $1000 to be competitive

3. Factory/Street/IMCA Stockcar- something in that nature. I think alot of tracks here in Oklahoma need to combine Factory Stocks and Street Stocks and adjust the rules accordingly.

4. 360 2bbl Sprints or Modifieds- Choice depends on location.




Glen Chapa
July 21, 2011 at 06:46:40 AM
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IMCA Hobby Stocks-entry level class should be somewhat affordable Sport Mods-drop some of the goofy OK rules. Great class,great racing Mods-i have a mod and love that class. In a perfect world I would add a sprint class. Prolly injected ASCS type rules

mjm sleepy
July 21, 2011 at 07:51:09 AM
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2 bbl. sprints.

1 class of Modifieds .

Pro Stocks.



JP Motorsports
July 21, 2011 at 10:26:32 AM
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2 bbl Sprints

Sport mods

Mini Stocks




BobcatJD
July 21, 2011 at 11:51:24 AM
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Modified

Sprint Car

Stock Car

These are the 3 but each need an entry level class that has consistant rules state wide. Let the entry level class run with the upper class and that Driver gets the experience he needs to move up as well as fills up the field. If rules are the same statewide for entry level class the Driver also gets more experience on different tracks.

During these times no track can be limited to just 3 classes of cars "WE ARE SPREAD TOO THIN"

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David Smith Jr
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July 21, 2011 at 01:14:28 PM
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Am not a fan of the two barrels but know why they are here. I would love to see injected sprints on a weekly basis but the only track that did that the past ten years was OKC soo...

If two tracks are in a 60 mile radius of each other -

One track goes two barrel sprints, modifieds, mini stocks: you have your two top classes and one entry level type class that will bring in the back gate (mini stocks)

Other track in that radius goes Pro/street, sport mod, street stock (IMCA type): The pro/street with the power of the two barrels (like premiere class), sport mod would have the back gate and could be entry level with street stock.

One big problem out East is that dadgum modifieds and 360 modified are virtually the same, there needs not be two different divisions.

For instance: Lake Country Speedway is a great modified track. Have them on Saturday nights along with a mini stock/tornado class like they already run and guess it would be IMCA type street stocks. Those put on a good show down there.

That same night not too far away at Oklahoma Sports Park run limited/sport mods because they have a better car count there than the modifieds, pro/street because Ada is a big fast track and a factory stock type division.

Another example:

Thunderbird run champ sprints, limited/sport mods and a pro/street type class. Big track and horsepower

Outlaw run the modifieds (360 mods must run with them), a mini stock type class and a street stock class.


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4c75
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July 21, 2011 at 04:32:05 PM
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I don't know if you could make 3 work.there is always to much jump between classes dollar wise.

I personally would run

front wheel drive/bomber type class

factory stock/imca stock car type class

imca type modifieds one week

and

mini stocks

600 mini sprints

sport mods

and 2bbl sprints the next . week alternating these classes every other week.everyone would get a week off every other week and save some money,(except for those of us who would race something both weekends)the fans would see what races they wanted to see.of course this would work best at a track like the old fairgrounds speedway where you had a half mile and a 1/4 mile to work with, you could run the small cars on the 1/4 and the big cars on the 1/2 and even alternate that once in a while to make things more interesting for the fan.one thing that has to happen is you have got to get the younger crowd and drivers involved or there is no future of the sport.anyway just my opinion , but the days of 20-30 cars in classes such as open modifieds,prostocks and latemodels are gone, take the Hutch Nationals for instance $5000 to win sprints and 23 cars.we have to cater to the lesser expensive classes to get any kind of car count.not that any of them are cheap anymore.




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July 21, 2011 at 05:41:03 PM
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If I put enough thought in this it I could probably deliver a dozen different answers lol

I think Sport Mods would be one. I don't think the racing is all that great, but I don't think this is a reflection on the class or the drivers - I think it's that the field is closer together than any other class - and to be bluntly honest - the track surfaces they run on are not very racy most of the time. I would compare them a lot to th restricted 600's in micro's. I think it would be kind of fun to mess with track prep in search of finding the best surface for sport mods. But I agree with Shawn - they have the highest support in stock car ranks. The more I think of this - I think I need to split this into two shows - one of open wheel racing - the other for stock cars.

Sport mods are good for a lot of reasons, not the least of which it can be an entry level class of sorts for those looking to run the faster, more expensive mods later on. In the back of my mind I can see Shawn grinning at that - because it's just more green blood to get loose and hit him and he tries to pass them on the high side lol. I digress lol.

Fender show: Sport Mods. Late Models and Modifieds. and the LM and mods I'd run very rigid rules. maybe crate motors or something like that. Or maybe a rulebook that is just completely open to things like porting. I think it's bullshit that tracks have outlawed so many of the things teams can do to increase their HP. Whats better for the sport? the guy willing to put his own time and effort into trying to make his motor faster? or outlawing that while allowing teams to achieve the same result by paying some builder thousands of dollars?

my favorite - open wheel show. and I'm pretty much in line with what the Hahn's are doing at Creek County give or take. In a perfect world I would go with non wing 410's, full midgets, stuff like that. But being realistic - it just can't work down here. Think about it from a business standpoint. As a promoter - you would have to be ok with several years of losses and thats if you are lucky. To help build the class you need to pay well even if you only get 5 or 6 cars. thats why you don't see anyone doing it.

Personally, I want an extremely high banked 1/4 bullring - the best qualities of the OLD lawton, current cowtown, and how creek used to be/is about to be again. And on that 1/4 mile - the first class - non wing stock 600 micro's. They are the best RACING almost anywhere they are. Give them a racy track - you'll get an electrifying show in return. The famed CCS sprint bandit show - the one that turned to a mud bog after an early evening shower, went on to produce one of the best nights of racing a lot of us hd ever seen - the first feature was the non wing ascs2 600's - it set such a high tone for the bandits - that NW race was one of the best open wheel races I have ever seen. it was fantastic. I'm not near as big a fan of these when they put the wing on (A Class). non wing 600 micro's - love em.

EcoTec midgets. I'd love to say full midgets - but the costs have just gotten too far out of hand. With EcoTec's at around 20% the cost of full blown midgets - and without sacrificing THAT much in quality of racing....I think it's a fantastic concept. The Hahn family returning to running Creek County could very revolutionize midget racing much like they did with the ASCS brodix spec at Creek in the early 90's. Sure, that could read as cheerleading lol - but this would be great for open wheel racing to get the EcoTec midgets going. Building a strong base/local show at Creek could enhance more shows outside of Creek and provide a working business model for promoters around the country. The ascs sprints took the nation over for a reason. they are cheaper and still fast as hell. same goes for the ecotec midgets.

so non wing 600 micros and ecotec midgets. ASCS sprints would be the 3rd class. I don't really dig the champ sprints either. The last year or two - it's just lackluster sprint car racing compared to ascs. at least around here it is. It's ironic because I used to be a fan of the smaller wing. At SFS - both sprint classes were very good with the smaller wing, but now I see it more like the super sprints were pretty good with it. the champ sprints - meh. The champ sprint class is very subjective. Most OCRS races I have seen are just flat out terrible. is this because the series/cars are terrible? probably not - the tracks they run on are. Look at both Lawton shows - the track conditions were horrific. but yet both ascs shows at lawton were great - track was good. I like champ sprints. I like sprint cars so I have to lol. But I like the ascs sprints A LOT better. It's not like ocrs champ sprints are fractions of what ascs sprints are. top of the line - they are maybe 10k less than top of the line ascs motors (although no doubt don ott keeps pushin' that mark). But I would really love to see the numbers of what local/sooner/lone star area sprints are spending on their motors - versus what ocrs does. think passmore or goodman or floating around with 10k motors? lol NO! Several years ago I heard from several solid sources of champ sprint motors in the 25k range. At the same time - top of the line ascs motors from wesmar were in the mid 30's. So with that in mind, with ASCS sprints you can run just about anywhere in the country if you wanted to - but much more importantly - your track can pull cars from all over the country. If SFS would have had a 10k to win champ sprint nationals - you coulda got the same field for 3k lol (arguably less lol). Run a 10k to win ascs show on the right weekend (imo - early in the year when northern tracks haven't opened yet) - and you coulda got 80-100 cars and from about 15 different states (at least).

I'd love to go into a 4th class - non wing sprints. but with Non Wing 600 micros, ecotec midgets, and ascs sprints. with stout fields I think that has it covered Smile

the most important factor would be purse/point fund. To build and maintain stout classes in all 3 you need to pay well. something like 800 to win/150 to start in the non wing micros. 1500 to win 250 to start ecotecs. and 3k to win with good start pay in ascs sprints. thats without a strong end of year point fund. with an exceptionally strong point fund - you could probably drop those numbers a little bit and still get outstanding weekly support. either way - the most critical factor would be track sponsorship and rules. Sell anything and everything (sponsorship lol - not rules lol). Your racetrack should not be named after you - thats retarded. Sell that sucker! every class needs a sponsor. every night of racing needs a sponsor if you can, every heat race should have a sponsor. In a recent article Emmett Hahn made a golden point. YOU GET OUT OF IT WHAT YOPU PUT INTO IT.

And in a metropolitan area you can do better than Local Joe's super hole in the wall bait shop lol.


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