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Topic: Tony Stewart and Kasey Kahne: Good or Bad for Sprint Car Racing?
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May 26, 2011 at
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We had this debate on Tuesday on Winged Nation:
http://www.motorracingnetwork.com/Media-Center/Audio/Winged-Nation.aspx
What do you think?
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May 26, 2011 at
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Good. The more the merrier. I wish all multi-millionaires with some disposable income would buy racecars.
Sean,
Tucson.
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!!Get Well Shane!!
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May 26, 2011 at
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Good....4 teams that wouldn't be there without TSR and KKR. They can still be beat...talk to Sammy and Jason Meyers.
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May 26, 2011 at
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VERY GOOD!
A Bad Day Of Sprint Car Racing Is 10 Times Better Than
A Good Day At Work!
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May 26, 2011 at
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I think they are great for the sport! Can't believe someone would even ask this question.
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May 26, 2011 at
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Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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May 26, 2011 at
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For the people that want to hear it I will say bad.............. Wish we had ten more like them !!!!!
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May 27, 2011 at
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It's getting anymore so that one has to have their kind of money just to be a fan of racing. 
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May 27, 2011 at
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GOOD!
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May 27, 2011 at
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Posted By: Smitty51 on May 27 2011 at 06:16:09 AM
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Of course good. If not you would be minus 5, sometimes 6 cars a night.
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May 27, 2011 at
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Posted By: straight shooter on May 27 2011 at 09:00:44 AM
Of course good. If not you would be minus 5, sometimes 6 cars a night.
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And the added bonus of TV exposure for their teams and ALL of sprint car racing in general...(a rising tide ..lift ALL boats) that would not be happening if they were owned by Joe Schmuck's Steakhouse & Lounge.
Seems like there is always a blurb or comment on TV coverage of NAPCAR about their teams and I suspicion maybe 75% or more non sprint car fans have heard about sprint cars due to TSR and KKR ownership than would have otherwise.
I wish 10 more big $$$ drivers would do the same as these 2 have.
S.H.S.
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May 27, 2011 at
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I'm very surprised that I haven't seen 8 negative posts about this. "Raising the cost" or "spending as much as Kahne/Stewart".
Cool!
They are GREAT for the sport. Anything that draws attention to the sport is good. "All PR is good PR."
They fund teams when other people don't/can't.
2 enthusiastic thumbs up.
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May 27, 2011 at
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Posted By: Some Guy In Texas on May 27 2011 at 12:59:18 PM
I'm very surprised that I haven't seen 8 negative posts about this. "Raising the cost" or "spending as much as Kahne/Stewart".
Cool!
They are GREAT for the sport. Anything that draws attention to the sport is good. "All PR is good PR."
They fund teams when other people don't/can't.
2 enthusiastic thumbs up.
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Yep ..... racing ANYTHING has never and .... WILL never be cheap (see go-kart racing for trophies.)
If my memory serves me correctly .... neither a KKR or TSR car won the 2010 Knoxville Nationals or the WoO title last year.
Speed cost money ..... how fast do ya wanna go ???
Janet Holbrook is no doubt not poor .... but frankly her liquid assets cannot be with in light years of Kahne or Stewart.
Don't know much about Myers owner ... but it has to be a similar deal in relationship to Kahne and Stewart net worth and name recognition.
Kahne or Stewart can pick up the phone and get pretty much anything they want on the 'cheap' if not just for sponsorship just because of their name.
Plus when ever a 'privateer' wins against the KKR or TSR cars .... it is good for the sport (why is pro 'rasslin' such a money maker??) ... good guys vs. bad guys ...not that KKR or TSR are 'bad guys' but they do give many fans a reason to buy a ticket (hoping to see them get 'spanked.)
S.H.S.
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Wish more of NASCAR would follow their lead.
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May 27, 2011 at
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For every one car on the track, how many has KKR and TSR chased away by driving up the cost of what it takes to compete? How many guys that might ordinarily run for points simply don't because starting out of the gate they will already be at the most only the 6th highest funded team? (Meyers spent a small fortune getting title).
Folks, when we start wind-tunneling sprint cars, its a slippery slope. The NASCAR guys have driving up the cost to compete dramatically. It's one thing to be fast one night, but what happens when you can't afford to refresh that engine half, or even a fourth as often as the endless budget NASCAR sprints?
I have yet to see evidence that they provide more exposure for the sport and I refute the argument they bring more cars to the track because of the amount they keep from competing on tour. Sure the cars they are keeping away likely wouldn't be competitive, but I think it's healthier for the sport when an independent car is getting even a marginally larger paycheck. Those add up over the course of the season.
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May 27, 2011 at
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Posted By: azteca on May 27 2011 at 10:21:02 AM
And the added bonus of TV exposure for their teams and ALL of sprint car racing in general...(a rising tide ..lift ALL boats) that would not be happening if they were owned by Joe Schmuck's Steakhouse & Lounge.
Seems like there is always a blurb or comment on TV coverage of NAPCAR about their teams and I suspicion maybe 75% or more non sprint car fans have heard about sprint cars due to TSR and KKR ownership than would have otherwise.
I wish 10 more big $$$ drivers would do the same as these 2 have.
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Added TV exposure? Two live races a year is "added tv exposure"? The Outdoor Channel says hello. As does TNN and ESPN.
Thats fine, some redneck junior fans have heard about sprint cars. That's not the demographic thats going to keep sprint car racing alive. I've heard of (insert small niche sports affiliated thing here). Does that mean I'm going to spend my money attending the event?
IF we had 10 more, that would like lead to a sustainable series, albeit highly unprofitable for the owners because the WoO still pays the purse like its 1998. Thus that idea would fold in a matter of a couple of years.
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Posted By: pee wee on May 27 2011 at 07:02:28 PM
Added TV exposure? Two live races a year is "added tv exposure"? The Outdoor Channel says hello. As does TNN and ESPN.
Thats fine, some redneck junior fans have heard about sprint cars. That's not the demographic thats going to keep sprint car racing alive. I've heard of (insert small niche sports affiliated thing here). Does that mean I'm going to spend my money attending the event?
IF we had 10 more, that would like lead to a sustainable series, albeit highly unprofitable for the owners because the WoO still pays the purse like its 1998. Thus that idea would fold in a matter of a couple of years.
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They are bad because they are running small block chev powered Maxims! No one else can afford the extreme research and developement expense that comes with using such radical, unique, superior stuff.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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May 27, 2011 at
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Posted By: pee wee on May 27 2011 at 07:02:28 PM
Added TV exposure? Two live races a year is "added tv exposure"? The Outdoor Channel says hello. As does TNN and ESPN.
Thats fine, some redneck junior fans have heard about sprint cars. That's not the demographic thats going to keep sprint car racing alive. I've heard of (insert small niche sports affiliated thing here). Does that mean I'm going to spend my money attending the event?
IF we had 10 more, that would like lead to a sustainable series, albeit highly unprofitable for the owners because the WoO still pays the purse like its 1998. Thus that idea would fold in a matter of a couple of years.
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I don't think you understood what I meant by 'added TV exposure.' I will try and clarify for you.
I was referencing the exposure given on the NAPCAR races and talk shows TV coverage. With out KKR and TSR there would be a WHOLE lot less mentions, coverage or chat (if any at all, without their involvement.)
I was not talking about live or tape delayed sprint car races themselves.
S.H.S.
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Posted By: pee wee on May 27 2011 at 06:56:10 PM
For every one car on the track, how many has KKR and TSR chased away by driving up the cost of what it takes to compete? How many guys that might ordinarily run for points simply don't because starting out of the gate they will already be at the most only the 6th highest funded team? (Meyers spent a small fortune getting title).
Folks, when we start wind-tunneling sprint cars, its a slippery slope. The NASCAR guys have driving up the cost to compete dramatically. It's one thing to be fast one night, but what happens when you can't afford to refresh that engine half, or even a fourth as often as the endless budget NASCAR sprints?
I have yet to see evidence that they provide more exposure for the sport and I refute the argument they bring more cars to the track because of the amount they keep from competing on tour. Sure the cars they are keeping away likely wouldn't be competitive, but I think it's healthier for the sport when an independent car is getting even a marginally larger paycheck. Those add up over the course of the season.
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Kkr and tsr haven't made cost go up 1 penny to compete with them ALL the decent cars have everything they have maybe not as many spares put joey Donny or the king in any local top car and within a few races ,,same results ,they'll win ,,,ide bet all the money I have there's not 1 team in the world that doesn't run the full outlaw schedule because they don't think they cant compete with there money ,,Sides is 1 of the lowest funded teams out there and he's won more races than half the cars kasey and Tony have out there ,,there all good for sport just to bad more NASCAR teams aren't owners
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Posted By: pee wee on May 27 2011 at 06:56:10 PM
For every one car on the track, how many has KKR and TSR chased away by driving up the cost of what it takes to compete? How many guys that might ordinarily run for points simply don't because starting out of the gate they will already be at the most only the 6th highest funded team? (Meyers spent a small fortune getting title).
Folks, when we start wind-tunneling sprint cars, its a slippery slope. The NASCAR guys have driving up the cost to compete dramatically. It's one thing to be fast one night, but what happens when you can't afford to refresh that engine half, or even a fourth as often as the endless budget NASCAR sprints?
I have yet to see evidence that they provide more exposure for the sport and I refute the argument they bring more cars to the track because of the amount they keep from competing on tour. Sure the cars they are keeping away likely wouldn't be competitive, but I think it's healthier for the sport when an independent car is getting even a marginally larger paycheck. Those add up over the course of the season.
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What the heck is a NASCAR sprint? NASCAR has nothing to due with either KKR or TSR Sprinters, NASCAR isn't giving them $ to run. This is KKR and TSR using their own money and sponsors money that they have acquired through racing their entire lives for our pleasure. Let them do with it as they please. Does the WoO have a "claimer" rule? No. So they them selves have made this "he who has the most cash wins" monster. Go back as far in history as you want, and you'll see that the Champion has always had money behind him. Until a sanctioning body has a claim type rule, the bank account is the limit.
You say they might be keeping away cars because they are taking the lions share of the purse? Well, I say, how do you figure this? More independent cars would run the Outlaw tour if it weren't for them? Or more locals would enter a WoO sanctioned race if they weren't there? Folks, this is a traveling road show, the locals have always been filler. Once in a while the local slays the giant (i.e. posse). But, for the most part our local guys WANT to race with the best of the best when they come to town. You are confusing the fact that when the WoO comes to town, the local points aren't usually given out, so a "independent" racer would have nothing to lose when racing with the outlaws, other than the normal cost of racing a 410 outlaw sprinter.
We as fans NEED TSR and KKR in our sport. Who else do we have?
Sean,
Tucson.
!!SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL TRACKS!!
!!Get Well Shane!!
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