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if you want to save 410 sprint car racing how do you do it? Pa and Ohio are the only strongholds left

Smaller tires and a wing angle limit...

 
 
 
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cross bar at the pit entrance like a McDonalds Drive-Thru. If you're over 10', you're too big for this ride. Then charge pit fees by trailer length. It's not the trailer that costs money and wins races, but the attitude it represents - "theres more where that came from"

One car, one engine per night. same as above.

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remember when???? love how the rock-screen hangs around the cockpit.aero advantage for opp??? great stuff cubic

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Increase prizemoney, Promoters stop promoting 360 shows because they pay half the purse,

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Again, what are we saving it from? We gained three or four weekly 410 winged weekly tracks this season and at least one 410 series. There is a greater number of 410 drivers in 2010 than 2009 according to those who are actually counting. Stay tuned, there is more to come! Don't know how you are defining a stronghold, but in the biggest race of the year, Knoxville was well represented, including the pole-sitter. I can also vouch that central Illinois, eastern Missouri, the IRA, etc. are gaining in numbers or maintaining...

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You need to get out and travel a bit more there is a place called California and low and behold they happen to race 410 sprint cars. Next season is poised to be the strongest in years for our winged 410s with the rise of the King of The West series. In fact there is a 410 non wing race going on right this very weekend its called the Oval Nationals, you might have heard of it. Lets not forget our friends to the north, Washington where they still race winged 410's too. I can assure you there is a WHOLE lot more to racing in this country than what is going on in PA and Ohio.

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Everything will cycle through. The car counts will be higher in the next year or so. Our ASCS Southwest series ran b mains regularly in the past, now it's 15-18 car A mains. Give it time. Support what's running now and they will be back in numbers later.

Sean,

Tucson

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I'm a little confused. Where is all of the additional cost in 410 racing? Except for the cost of a brand new 410 and a new 360, which is not much more than $5-7000.00. With the money thats being spent in 360 racing I don't see the major difference. There are a lot of very fast completive 410 teams with half the budgets of the 360's.

Changing tire rules, wings, blah blah, etc. won't change the COST of racing at all. It might change the quality of racing, due to some of the lower budget teams will be able to keep up then. But don't tell me that KKR, TSR, etc are going to sell off their multi $$$ motors in favor of a $10K -12 off the classifieds. Will the run used tires? Nope, just new skinnier, harder, whatever tires. Those guys will all have the EXACT SAME stuff they have now. It might not get them anywhere, but they WILL have it. You are going to have to cut cost on the parts that cost. (motors) Put a $5000 claim on motors, anyone can claim at anytime, fans, competitiors, anyone with $5000 can take your motor home tonight. See who will spend $45K on a motor and then lose it the first night out for $5000. Banned for life if you refuse.

I know that is unrealistic and will never happen, but it would work.

Parts aren't the only thing that cost money, what is the average travel expense for 1 Outlaw team in a year? I understand they have to go coast to coast, but it costs a ton to do that. How can that change? Answer, it won't.

Changing engine rules won't help either, look at how cheap ASCS motors are. Weren't they to even the playing field and save some money? I have videos of the open 360 car my dad owned (before ASCS) running top 5 with 410's. That motor didn't cost as much as my middle of the pack ASCS motor does right now. I know things have changed a little since then, but I am just making a point. I can still remember the ASCS sticker with a circle and cross through it on the nose wing.........

Limit the compression! It will save the people without unlimited funds alot of money and level the playing field a touch. They already limit injector, rod lengh,max bore, cubic inch and ect. Compression beats the shi& out of everything.

If you don't run ASCS, you may as well run a 410 because the payoffs are better. They turn the 360's just as hard as a 410 plus the fact that the 360's are so underpowered & locked down I feel that it wears out everything just same or even quicker. Face it, owning and operating a sprintcar for a hobby is always going to be a huge $$$ challenge. You might as well try to get more back on $$$'s spent running a 410 with smaller car counts than sitting on the trailer & getting $000...

I would agree with that except for one thing, the closest 410 track is 6 hours for me. I can drive 3 hours and hit 6 360 tracks that I know off the top of my head. For someone with more 410 options, you are completely correct though. That is why we are enjoying the 305 class right now. It might not bring home as much at the end of the night, but it didn't cost as much to race there either. We all know it doesn't matter what class you run, you aren't going to make money. You might bring home a check, but it wasn't profit.