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Hey Perry and any mini-stock owner/driver.

How bout some rules similar to this for the "Run Whatya' Brung" Race that your talking about talking to Mark about.

Here is the rules for Green Valley Speedway's Outlaw Pony division. Very successful in Alabama and draws a bunch of fast cars. Has $3-10k specials every year drawing 50+ minis from tenn, ga, al, ms. They basically come up with a weight for everything that you could bring in a mini-stock which pretty much allows anyone to come no matter what rules they normally run.

Chassis / Suspension:

1. No tube chassis cars will be allowed.
2. Damaged sections of the chassis may be replaced with tubing, but it must retain the stock dimensions and flow.
3. The suspension must be of a stock type matching that of the chassis in use.
4. All suspension components used, including springs, shocks, and sway bars, must be mounted in the stock location.
5. Caster / camber adjustment plates are allowed.
6. Ride height (screw jacks) adjustments are allowed.
7. Changes to the pinion angle are allowed.
   
   

Weight:

1. Cars must weigh a minimum of 1,900 pounds.
2. Cars must weigh 1 pound for every cc of engine displacement.
3. The engine displacement must be clearly posted on the hood of the car in cc's.
4. All weight must be attached with at least 1/2" bolt and be painted white with the proper car number on it.
   
   

Tires / Wheels:

1. Any tire with a tread width up to 10" will be allowed.
2. Any steel wheel will be allowed.
3. Cars using all Street Use DOT tires or Asphalt Take/offs 50 lb deduction.
   
   

Brakes:

1. Any stock type brakes will be allowed.
2. Any pedals, master cylinders, or proportioning valve systems are allowed.
3. The car must be able to come to a complete stop in a reasonable distance.
   
   

Rear End:

1. Any stock type rear end will be allowed 9 inch ok.
2. No quick changes will be permitted
   
   

Driveline:

1. Any stock type transmission with working reverse is allowed.
2. Any metal drive shaft is allowed.
3. A drive shaft loop is required on all rear wheel drive cars.
4. All drive shafts must be painted white.
5. No all wheel drive vehicles will be allowed.
6. May run front wheel drive
   
   

Engine:

1. Any stock 4 cylinder engine (rotaries are not considered 4 cylinder engines) Inline 6 cylinder (Hot Shot) type cars subject to additional weight restrictions.
2. Engine must be located in same location as stock 4 cylinder engine for the model car in use.
3. No turbochargers will be allowed
4. Dry sump oiling systems will not be allowed
5. Any flat top piston may be used. Toyota 2tc & 3tc engine pistons may have dome, but no other domed pistons are allowed.
6. Any steel rod may be used
7. The crankshaft must have a stock stroke
   
   

Heads:

1. Heads must be stock (no after market). OEM production must be used OEM head must have came on a mass production vehicle no aluminum heads on a ford 2000 or 2300 based engine.
2. Dual overhead cams are not allowed.
3. No more than 2 valves per cylinder are allowed.
4. Any steel valve of stock diameter may be used.
5. Any competition valve job is allowed; all angles must be concentric the valve guide.
6. A .750 hand blend from the top of the valve seat is allowed.
7. A cam with a maximum lift of .500 as measured with a .025 lash at the valve is legal 8. If the head is ported or has a larger than stock valve size add 25 lbs. Ported intake add 25 lbs / cam with larger than stated lift or a roller cam add 25 lbs the tech inspector must be notified about the head work prior to the race carburetors / intake manifold:
• Any 2 barrel carburetor up to 500 cfm will be allowed. No variable venturi carburetors allowed.
• Only one carburetor per engine
• Any type intake manifold may be used. If the runners or the mating surfaces of the intake are modified in anyway, there will be a 25 pound weight penalty; the tech Inspector must be notified before the race begins
• There will be no more than 3 inches between the base plate of the carburetor and the top of the intake manifold.
• Fuel injection is not allowed.

Fuel:

1. No oxidizers may be used at any time

2. Gasoline will be the only accepted fuel

Essentially no cars under 1900 lbs no matter what. This has proven to be very fair, even w/ guys that have Alluminum Roller Heads. This allows anyone at CCS that wants to come out and compete.

Not including myself I can think of at least 8 cars at CCS that would definitley think about coming.

Talk about GRUDGE NIGHT!!! Meeker, I-44, Lawton, old Enid boys. One fun night of Pony racin' if you ask me. Would be a heck of a show.

does Meeker have scales?

If they don't this could easily be supplied for special event. Also, this rules system is relied heavily on the "honor" system in a Special Event type platform. One thing that I do believe about it is if people are allowed to be honest about what they have w/ tech then they tend to be honest about this.

you could do somthing like that the one big hole is Meeker does not have scales

I think you should make it more basic like

1lb per cc Puff top 3 and pull heads if there is any Question

Roller Cam 75lb

Aluminum head 50lb in front of fire wall

street tire 50lb deduction

make that full time and you never DQ anyone except people who are dishonest with their weight. You can bring scales anytime you want. This is more of an Honor Code system but I know most people are very truthful with how they do things. This allows strokers and stock cars to run somewhat equally

I dont think the OUTLAW thing will work Tulsa and Ada both tried it with the pro4's and the class never got over 10 cars. You could spend 15G on a mini with no rules.

The reason creek has had a strong mini class for the last 20yrs is the rules have basicly stade the same. and it is affordable

The problem with creeks rules is they have so many rules they do not check if you have rules you need to inforce them.

Like cast pistons, flywheel weight, stock rod length, stock Valve

Marks basic idea was to set some basic easy to tech rules and tech the cars regular I believe it has worked well with the exception of ported heads most everyone is porting there heads at Meeker but not everyone is getting the same performance out of the work they are doing and it scares the out of towners from coming.

If you could tech the cars without tearing the motor down the track could tech better

Basic Rules, any piston, any Rod, 3.126 stroke (stock 2.3) (and what ever a toy is) stock production iron head No porting or grinding of any kind, any Valve (ex. ports to small any how so big valves with out porting does no good), 500 carb,

Chassie stock suspionsion, with stock flore pan and firewall, 2100 lbs

Stock chassie with any suspionsion mods 2300 lb

Tube Chassie 2500 lb with 100 lb in front of fire wall/ back of motor This is where we could get some cars theres about 20 pro4 setting around just in Oklahoma

Perry,

I posted some basic info to get see what kind of interest these type of rules would get just for "one" show.

So far Sean Cusac(CCS) and Greg Overstreet(JRP) have replied w/ interest

I'm in as well Jeff Samples(CCS) I just finished building my new car but I'm not shaking it down until next week at CCS then after I get another rear end for it I'll bring it out to Meeker to race a couple of times.

Also,

I think if you can talk Mark into doing something like this for let's say late August or early September Mark will probably get an influx of cars coming in just to start getting their car ready.

If you can get a basic set of weight rules than you can also find out what it takes to equalize the field motor wise.

I think this would work and definitley help you guys out out there in terms of sparking interest in this division.

Your also right about CCS not teching their rules worth a crap. They have a fairly decent set of rules yet they don't tech at all. I cracked up a few weeks ago when they actually DQ'd someone because their tires didn't Durometer higher than 45. CCS is screwed now if they try to tech because everyone that I know has pretty much adapted to what they can get away with. Doing whatever it takes to get past the one car that dominated the field for 3 years. Now there are 8 cars that could win any given night. I'm not accusing those 8 of cheating because I haven't looked underneath their head but I

wouldn't be surprised. I'm not jealous or anything like that, I just would like to see a track that actually techs like Brill's does. I gurantee you if anyone is cheating in Meeker they ain't racing their for the championship.

That and I would allow the Pro-4 Tube w/ the rules that you have stated. I can think of 2 cars on this side of town that are just waiting for someone to allow them to race.

You can add Mark Turnham to the list of people interested.

That puts CCS & JRP up to 4