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I noticed in a release today that the World of Outlaws have implemented the 1 lap qualifying procedure this year for whenever 40 or more cars are at an event. The drivers and teams must have been okay with it, but I remember from most fans that the overwhelming majority were against it. Guess we can only hope that 39 cars show up at Tulare in a few weeks.

I don't see why if they think it's going to save that much time, why not just scrap qualifying all together and go with the ASCS format using heat and qualifying races with passing points. I think that would be more entertaining that watching 40 plus cars take one lap.

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ASCS format and no qualifying...now there is the best idea I have heard in a long time.

time trials are the biggest waste of time there is.

Times trials tell a person nothing other than a race track changes minute by minute.

I guess it is better to be bored silly by meaningless time trials than mini-stocks or things of that nature,

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if there going to shorten it then do away with it. time trial bad and your screwed for the whole night. go to an ascs format and you will see alot of different winners.

But time trials are when the photographers get the clean shots of the cars.

Skip qualifying, that would be the biggest joke in professional racing. At the elite level, you want to throw away qualifying, for what because you only get one lap? The thing that needs to be changed is heat race line ups. They should go to a full invert in heats and then straight up line ups in the main with maybe the invert at most at 6.

The biggest joke in racing involves a series that races sedans and has the testicular fortitude to call them "sprints"...35 cars locked in with provisionals, why bother qualifying those S boxes..

As far as real Sprint cars, Qualifying does suck. It's boring to watch, it sucks the life out of most tracks (especially in the summer)... BUT... As long as it takes to run the heats, i can't imagine it getting done twice before our super wonderful BS 11 pm curfew.

Maybe with the new transponders it's time to look at qualifying cars in hot lap style flights... each group gets 4 laps best time is locked in for the night, # of cars per flight determined by # of cars signed in. I know it's different but 1 lap is just a waste of everyone's time.

who is calling the sedans "sprints"?

they already tried qualifying in "flights" at charlotte dirt track. it was a disaster.

with 50 cars you are looking at roughly 10-12 additional minutes of qualifying time difference between 1 and 2 laps per car.

if the track changes so much during qualifying then how come last year at the final race at charlotte when they qualified for two separate shows back to back on the same night there was almost no drop off in times for the fast cars in each qualifying session? they qualified TWO complete sessions for TWO classes. also if the track falls off so bad how come schatz and other of the fast cars can go out just about any time in qualifying and be in the top 5 or so? most of the time in an outlaw show qualifying for most of the cars is within a half a second, sometimes tighter. you are always going to have the few cars that just miss it and have times outside the majority of the field and then the slower cars that just don't qualify well.

i agree that if you have to run additional heats or qualifying races you are not going to save time. also the fast cars get to the front no matter what. if you chang the format saying the fans get to see more racing then you have a point.

Don't change the format, CHANGE THE DAMN TIRE!!!! Get a smaller right rear and racetracks will last longer each night.

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I was refering to the sponsorship change in the taxi cab division, i have on more than one occasion heard casual fans (rednex) refer to them as "Sprint" Cars..

And that Schatz guy i hear is pretty good, maybe why he qualifies well. j/k. I didn't know that multi-car qualifying had been tried. But like i've said before don't judge anything on only 1 attempt, just trying to think outside the box!

They do multi car qualifying at PCR Raceway in Australia, at least when they run the Outlaws Down Under. And they seem to have no problems with it so I don't see how that's any kind of an issue. Group qualifying is certainly another possiblity of when there are more than 40 cars.

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what are we trying to achieve with the multi car qualifying format? we already know that it does not save any substantial amount of time. i have stated before that if the goal is to provide the fans with more racing, then no qualifying and running a program of heats would be a valid format, even if it was not a popular one. the fact remains, that type of format would eat up more time. so what are we willing to settle for?

Silver Dollar ran multiple car qualifying (three at a time) during the "Wingless Nats" last year, there was 67 (or so) cars in the pits. IT SAVED A LOT OF TIME!!!! Qualifying was over in a matter of minutes, it was more entertaining for the fans, and the photographers could still get there shots! All in all, it worked GREAT.........

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There are those who enjoy qualifying, myself included. It is one of the many great parts of our sport. If it bores fans there is always the beer garden or just arrive when it is over. I'd not tweak with tradition too much

i am not trying to deny your statement about silver dollar wingless qualifying, if it worked then that is great. i just know that for the most part when you do multiple car qualifying you have to get 3 or 4 cars pushed out, get them spread out, then give them 3 or 4 laps. if a car spins or has a problem you have a mess trying to get things running again. lets say you ran 66 cars with 3 at a time on the track, thats 22 flights at say 4 laps each. thats 88 laps. just for the hell of it call it 14 seconds a lap. that works out to approx 20 min of qualifying without waiting for cars to push off and get separated and allow for problems. now to qualify 66 cars at 2 laps each would be 132 laps. at 14 secs a lap that would be roughly 30 min. it takes less time to get 1 car pushed out and starting it's run than to get 3 cars pushed out and separated. but even without that you only save 10 minutes mathematically. most tracks waste those 10 min easy in a night just srewing off. again not trying to belittle your post.it is just when folks start talking about saving time ect i bring up the point that at times tracks loligag around at the beginning of the night and are slow to get the program going then try to rush the show and blame the racers for wasting time. i know we have promotors that watch this board and my complaint when races have to be shortened due to time is why can't we start the darn show in a timely manner from the getgo. before i get in trouble with that statement let me tell the promotors out there that i am not trying to lay all the blame on them. we have good intentioned people promoting races around here and even if we racers don't always show it they are much apprieciated. it is just un-nerving to have your race cut short and look back at the time spent at the beginning of the night on "what?".