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January 12, 2008 at
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What's up with that?? Looked to me like he was clearly in the sixth transfer spot for the A main.
Now the announcers are saying that he is, in fact, not in.
Does anyone know what exactly happened because these guys are not being very clear.
Another note: Why is it that the Shuman's get screwed so much???
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
I would personally like to take my hat off to Ron Shuman, he raced his a** off tonight, A main, or no A main.
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The way that Ron got removed from the "A" main was very strange indeed.
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The announcers on HBO didn't explain what the problem was with Ronnie's transfer position. I hate it when the broadcasters leave you in the dark. Do the offiicials have in in for the Shuman's?
It was not obvious to me why Shuman was disqualified. Anyone out there have a clue????
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12:21:26 AM by BIGFISH
I found this on the main HOSEHEADS forumLooks like he finished 7th in the first B-Main and they only took the top 6.
B Mains (20 Laps - Top 6 in B Main 1 make up final inside 6 rows of A Main, Top 6 in B Main 2 make up final outside 6 rows of A Main)
B Main 1: 1. #20 Tony Stewart, Columbus, IN; 2. #49JR Bobby Michnowicz, Torrance, CA; 3. #29L Jesse Hockett, Warsaw, MO; 4. #33 Davey Ray, Loves Park, IL; 5. #99 Brady Bacon, Broken Arrow, OK; 6. #12W Billy Wease, Noblesville, IN: 7. #37T Ron Shuman, Tempe, AZ; 8. 5* Gary Taylor, Sapulpa, OK; 9. #05 Brad Loyet, Sunset Hills, MO; 10. #71D Don Droud Jr., Lincoln, NE; 11. #75 Josh Wise, Riverside, CA; 12. #22S Shane Stewart, Bixby, OK; 13. #67X Travis Rilat, Forney, TX; 14. #69 A.J. Fike, Galesburg, IL; 15. #67K Matt Sherrell, Tulsa, OK; 16. #1AU Tim McCreadie, Watertown, NY; 17. #27B Tony Elliott, Warsaw, IN; 18. #25 Steve Buckwalter, Royersford, PA; 19. #21A Danny Stratton, Indianapolis, IN; 20. #55K Nick Knepper, Belleville, IL
B Main 2: 1. #39 Kevin Swindell, Germantown, TN; 2. #21 Tracy Hines, Newcastle, IN; 3. #11W Terry McCarl, Altoona, IA; 4. #67A Gary "Bubba" Altig, Mechanicsburg, IL; 5. #20J Levi Jones, Olney, IL: 6. #12JR Nathan High, Goodyear, AZ; 7. #05L Danny Lasoski, Higginsville, MO; 8. #71B Mark Brown, Glendenning, NSW; 9. #86C David Camfield Jr., Decatur, IL: 10. #15 Tim Siner, Waterloo, IL; 11. #49E Brad Sweet, Grass Valley, CA; 12. #17 Chris Windom, Canton, IL; 13. #35 Mat Neely, Robinson, IL; 14. #12 Trey Robb, Newcastle, OK; 15. #7A Austin Brown, Millstadt, IL: 16. #5F Mike Goodman, Tulsa, OK; 17. #70 Garrett Hansen, Manhattan Beach, CA; 18. #4E Bobby East, Brownsburg, IN; 19. #1 Sammy Swindell, Germantown, TN; 20. #191 Ryan Durst, Lincoln, NE
A Main (50 Laps)
1. #71G Damion Gardner, Pittsboro, IN; 2. #9X Dave Darland, Walton, IN; 3. #1ST Shane Cottle, Kokomo, IN; 4. #67 Bryan Clauson, Noblesville, IN; 5. #05S Jon Stanbrough, Avon, IN; 6. #39 Kevin Swindell, Germantown, TN; 7. #99 Brady Bacon, Broken Arrow, OK; 8. #20 Tony Stewart, Columbus, IN; 9. #21 Tracy Hines, Newcastle, IN; 10. #12JR Nathan High, Goodyear, AZ; 11. #20J Levi Jones, Olney, IL; 12. #29L Jesse Hockett, Warsaw, MO; 13. #71 Cole Whitt, Alpine, CA; 14. #73 Josh Ford, Oxnard, CA; 15. #33 Davey Ray, Loves Park, IL; 16. #7F Aaron Fiscus, Sun Prairie, WI; 17. #71K Jason Leffler, Long Beach, CA; 18. #11 Jerry Coons Jr., Tucson, AZ; 19. #11W Terry McCarl, Altoona, IA; 20. #12W Billy Wease, Noblesville, IN; 21. #49JR Bobby Michnowicz, Torrance, CA; 22. #91 Kasey Kahne, Enumclaw, WA; 23. #71X Brad Kuhn, Avon, IN; 24. #67A Gary "Bubba" Altig, Mechanicsburg, IL
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January 13, 2008 at
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OK, I just heard on the JackSlash program on race/ network that the reason he was put 7th instead of 6th was because they threw the yellow and the checker at the same time because of the accident and they reverted to the lap before...Makes no sense to me.
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That dont make no damn since what so ever .. They threw the yellow and the checkered at the same time ?? Well if that is the case then if the Checkerd was displayed then the race is final there is no reverting back to the last lap . At least that is the way that I see it . Just my opinion. All I can say is it would of been different if one of the big nascar stars was in that position they would of left them in the transfer spot. Here again Just my opinion.
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Posted By: jc6 on January 13 2008 at 02:42:03 AM
That dont make no damn since what so ever .. They threw the yellow and the checkered at the same time ?? Well if that is the case then if the Checkerd was displayed then the race is final there is no reverting back to the last lap . At least that is the way that I see it . Just my opinion. All I can say is it would of been different if one of the big nascar stars was in that position they would of left them in the transfer spot. Here again Just my opinion.
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If the yellow and checker comes out at the same time the only person that gets the final lap position is the winner. The remaining positions are posted from the last green flag lap, except for the cars involved in the incident that caused the yellow to be displayed. Although this was not a popular decision, it was correct.
I would have loved to have seen the Shu make it also.
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Although I realize that it might have been difficult to keep up with all the different happenings at the Chili Bowl last night, I thought the announcers did us an injustice by not going into further detail about the Shuman incident last night. I mean, it was obvious there was a problem when HBO showed a clip of Ron Shuman, and Tony Stewart engaged, in what looked to me as a serious conversation. A bit later in the broadcast, there was another clip of both Shumans, Ron and Casey, pleading with an official, but nothing was really explained to the viewer.
I did, however, notice that the broadcast favored NASCAR drivers; there was a lot of emphasis put on them. I could not tell you how many times they interviewed Stewart and Kahn. No matter though, I gained a lot of respect for Tony Stewart when he stated that the drivers at the Chili Bowl were some of the best midget, and sprint car drivers in the world.
Call me biased, but even though I do not really care for Gardner, I am sure happy that I guy who started out on the West Coast won the thing.
Anybody else have any thoughts about last nights broadcast, did you like it? If not, what problems did you have with it?
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It will never make sense when a car that didn't take the checkered flag (didn't finish the race) is placed in front of a car that did take the checkered flag (did finish the race). It's not racing. It's book keeping. Pencil-pushing.
Notice the announcer's set up? Be prepared fans: Next Chili Bowl there will be a group of pot-bellied morons
gathered behind the announcers stage wearing beer can ball hats yelling "show
us your tits". And that'll just be the women.
Clue for producers: For the most part, open wheel dirt people know what they're watching, (except for you-know-who on this board), so there's no need to be told what they are watching. This form of racing isn't dull nothing crap like stock car racing, so there is no need for announcers to wake people by shouting. We'll do the shouting.
Love the expert commentators we have all known and admired for so long. Who? I like the way the self-styled experts are front and center while real racers like Larry Rice are off to the side in right field. Larry Rice just didn't seem to fit in with the ego boys. He needs to
learn shouting.
He needs to take the Dave DePain know-it-all-even-though-never-done-anything and-don't-have-a-clue broadcast course. Dumb it
down more, boys. Like let's have Mr. down home himself, Darrell Waltrip, come on and rave about how he would have done it back then. It wouldn't matter that he spent his time racing with fenders. He knows everything about everything.
They couldn't even chase down the story of Ron not going to the feature. Ron who?
Like the cardboard driver cut-outs holding the driver's favorite products? Look for more. What will the Viagra guys be holding?
Who's bright idea was the Hooter girls standing in a high center of gravity pickup truck pacing a dirt short track race. Can you spell disaster waiting to happen?
Oh, and since Damion Gardner doesn't race NASCAR he couldn't possibly win an open-wheel dirt race. To avoid how stupid that idea was let's just ignore the fact that every time another green flag dropped Gardner got the Hell out of Dodge in a big way. If it would have gone on another 100 laps it would have ended with Damion first. One of the front runners, (some winged car driver, I believe), says on camera he was starting to reel Damion in. IN YOUR DREAMS, BUBBA.
Oh, and how about Damion's restarts. Seen any better, anywhere? Can you just imagine how demoralizing that was from the second place car view? "Where'd he go?" Did you hear what Gardner said about the bicycle deal? Basically waited it out and then went on with his business of carving up the track. And this is coming from a Kruser fan.
The regular coverage camera work looks too good. Why not screw it up by having some more trick in-car camera facing backward shots so we can't see top ten cars battle wheel-to-wheel trying to move up an extra spot in the big show. Another super idea! Let's watch Tony Stewart saw on the steering wheel instead of watching him put on a driving show getting inside, around and over cars trying to move to the front. While we're at it let's congratulate ourselves for the trick shots like they're the latest high tech.
Instead of listening to announcers let's wire the drivers with open mikes so we can hear what one driver thinks of another who just backed up into him in the corner.
Otherwise, not a bad show.
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Its funny to me that every one makes a big deal ,,,ooh that it would be different if it was a nascar guy...look people for the last 4 nights they have been midget drivers, yes big wallets, but they have been midget drivers.No says oohh those darn dragster guys...If it wasn't for a nascar guy there would have been no Damion Gardner winning the race,hello So i thank you nascar guys for coming from usac to,going to nacsar, and giving back to the sport of dirt....
get balls and run the top!!!
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You make a good point there runnindafonz . I think that it is great that the Nascar guys give back to the sport . All I was saying is if it was Stewart , Leffler or one of the Nascar guys I think the results would of been different. If you come to run the Chili bowl run it as a midget driver not a nascar Star .Tony Stewart said it best last night . The Chili bowl is his favorite race of the year and I applaud him for that and I'm not a big Stewart fan .
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Ps . Oh that damn Selzi and Pedregon !!!!!! Lol sorry had to : )
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Posted By: wallscraper on January 13 2008 at 12:19:08 PM
It will never make sense when a car that didn't take the checkered flag (didn't finish the race) is placed in front of a car that did take the checkered flag (did finish the race). It's not racing. It's book keeping. Pencil-pushing.
Notice the announcer's set up? Be prepared fans: Next Chili Bowl there will be a group of pot-bellied morons
gathered behind the announcers stage wearing beer can ball hats yelling "show
us your tits". And that'll just be the women.
Clue for producers: For the most part, open wheel dirt people know what they're watching, (except for you-know-who on this board), so there's no need to be told what they are watching. This form of racing isn't dull nothing crap like stock car racing, so there is no need for announcers to wake people by shouting. We'll do the shouting.
Love the expert commentators we have all known and admired for so long. Who? I like the way the self-styled experts are front and center while real racers like Larry Rice are off to the side in right field. Larry Rice just didn't seem to fit in with the ego boys. He needs to
learn shouting.
He needs to take the Dave DePain know-it-all-even-though-never-done-anything and-don't-have-a-clue broadcast course. Dumb it
down more, boys. Like let's have Mr. down home himself, Darrell Waltrip, come on and rave about how he would have done it back then. It wouldn't matter that he spent his time racing with fenders. He knows everything about everything.
They couldn't even chase down the story of Ron not going to the feature. Ron who?
Like the cardboard driver cut-outs holding the driver's favorite products? Look for more. What will the Viagra guys be holding?
Who's bright idea was the Hooter girls standing in a high center of gravity pickup truck pacing a dirt short track race. Can you spell disaster waiting to happen?
Oh, and since Damion Gardner doesn't race NASCAR he couldn't possibly win an open-wheel dirt race. To avoid how stupid that idea was let's just ignore the fact that every time another green flag dropped Gardner got the Hell out of Dodge in a big way. If it would have gone on another 100 laps it would have ended with Damion first. One of the front runners, (some winged car driver, I believe), says on camera he was starting to reel Damion in. IN YOUR DREAMS, BUBBA.
Oh, and how about Damion's restarts. Seen any better, anywhere? Can you just imagine how demoralizing that was from the second place car view? "Where'd he go?" Did you hear what Gardner said about the bicycle deal? Basically waited it out and then went on with his business of carving up the track. And this is coming from a Kruser fan.
The regular coverage camera work looks too good. Why not screw it up by having some more trick in-car camera facing backward shots so we can't see top ten cars battle wheel-to-wheel trying to move up an extra spot in the big show. Another super idea! Let's watch Tony Stewart saw on the steering wheel instead of watching him put on a driving show getting inside, around and over cars trying to move to the front. While we're at it let's congratulate ourselves for the trick shots like they're the latest high tech.
Instead of listening to announcers let's wire the drivers with open mikes so we can hear what one driver thinks of another who just backed up into him in the corner.
Otherwise, not a bad show.
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Um.... The "Bubba Winged car driver" commenting on catching Damion is only one of the greatest midget drivers of all time "Dave Darland" but thanks for enlightening us !!
I thought the telecast was the best TV race production I have ever seen, room for improvement ? a little. but still the best one ever!!
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You make a good point there runnindafonz . I think that it is great that the Nascar guys give back to the sport . All I was saying is if it was Stewart , Leffler or one of the Nascar guys I think the results would of been different. If you come to run the Chili bowl run it as a midget driver not a nascar Star .Tony Stewart said it best last night . The Chili bowl is his favorite race of the year and I applaud him for that and I'm not a big Stewart fan .
Joe
Ps . Oh that damn Selzi and Pedregon !!!!!! Lol sorry had to : )
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That "damn" Scelzi and Pedregon give to this sport as much as anyone. Do you know how many midgets they own between them?
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Although I realize that it might have been difficult to keep up with all the different happenings at the Chili Bowl last night, I thought the announcers did us an injustice by not going into further detail about the Shuman incident last night. I mean, it was obvious there was a problem when HBO showed a clip of Ron Shuman, and Tony Stewart engaged, in what looked to me as a serious conversation. A bit later in the broadcast, there was another clip of both Shumans, Ron and Casey, pleading with an official, but nothing was really explained to the viewer.
I did, however, notice that the broadcast favored NASCAR drivers; there was a lot of emphasis put on them. I could not tell you how many times they interviewed Stewart and Kahn. No matter though, I gained a lot of respect for Tony Stewart when he stated that the drivers at the Chili Bowl were some of the best midget, and sprint car drivers in the world.
Call me biased, but even though I do not really care for Gardner, I am sure happy that I guy who started out on the West Coast won the thing.
Anybody else have any thoughts about last nights broadcast, did you like it? If not, what problems did you have with it?
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The broadcast wasn't perfect but overall I thought it was very good. Larry Rice definitely should've had a bigger role than he did, and anytime I see Kenny Sargent, Crash Gladys, and that other clown from whatever their show is called I know I'm about to witness a travesty, but they weren't as bad as I've seen them be in the past. But there definitely should've been an expert pit reporter to tell us what happened with Shuman (BOGUS situation, a car that doesn't finish can't be placed ahead of a car that does, period), and someone who had the knowledge to converse with someone other than NASCAR drivers. I didn't think the dummying down was too bad, but at the same time there shouldn't be any dummying down, since who on earth is going to order a payper view broadcast of midget racing that doesn't know and love midget, or sprint car, racing? I thought the coverage of the racing itself was very good, well positioned cameras and I think they consistently focused on the best or most relevant racing on the track at the time.
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Dont really care how many they have between them if they are giving to the sport of open wheel racing then they are alright in my book. I was refering to what someone had said .( ohh them damn dragster guys . ) It was a joke on my part but I see you must have taken it as I was bashing them.
All these top name stars that give to the sport of open wheel racing is great but what about the people that dont have the never ending bank accounts . Nobody ever gives the little guy any praise at least not like the big stars get. I can name one guy that dont have a never ending bank account that had 5 cars at the Chili bowl this year. A.J Felker. Lets thank him too for giving to the sport of open wheel racing.
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So he didn't get screwed, rules were followed and a over reaction.
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Um.... The "Bubba Winged car driver" commenting on catching Damion is only one of the greatest midget drivers of all time "Dave Darland" but thanks for enlightening us !!
I thought the telecast was the best TV race production I have ever seen, room for improvement ? a little. but still the best one ever!!
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You're right, Tim. I should not have referred to Dave Darland as "Bubba". The comment was not meant to disparage Darland.
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So he didn't get screwed, rules were followed and a over reaction.
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Just my opinion, but I think Shuman did get screwed, and evidently, there seems to be a lot of people who agree with me on this. It would of been interesting to see someone like Kahn, Leffler, or Stewart in a situation similar to Shuman's. Would the officials had made the same call? I am not going to speculate on that, but it does seem ironic that Casey and Ron both got a raw deal at the Chili Bowl.
Enough of the conspiracy theory though, I thought the whole thing was great. It was nice to get to finally watch some racing after the month and a half of nothing. I can't wait until February, it should be fun.
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You're right, Tim. I should not have referred to Dave Darland as "Bubba". The comment was not meant to disparage Darland.
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Wall, I didn't take the "Bubba" comment as disparaging, I was offended by you calling him a "Winged Driver" 
Just kidding
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Just my opinion, but I think Shuman did get screwed, and evidently, there seems to be a lot of people who agree with me on this. It would of been interesting to see someone like Kahn, Leffler, or Stewart in a situation similar to Shuman's. Would the officials had made the same call? I am not going to speculate on that, but it does seem ironic that Casey and Ron both got a raw deal at the Chili Bowl.
Enough of the conspiracy theory though, I thought the whole thing was great. It was nice to get to finally watch some racing after the month and a half of nothing. I can't wait until February, it should be fun.
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If it was Kahne, Leffler, or Stewart; the same thing would have happened. It is the rule.
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