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did you happen to go to the meeting last night and if so what was decided

Here is to show my stupidity but I just cover and report the races, not the technical aspect. How did and why they get off the factory stock rules that were first established back in the mid 80's or whatever or even back in 2000 and 2001? Yes, sometimes it was a pain as a fan to sit and watch 60+ factory stocks each night but at least there was an impressive field.

Also Jd, you mentioned rules to where factory stocks could pull the motor and put in a limited modified if need be, is that what has been voted on or is that just a wish-cast that you wish would happen - which I agree even though I am not a limited modified fan (although better than sport-mods).

Also, how close are the factory stock rules now compared to that of the pro stocks?

David Smith Jr.
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You give factories a panhard bar and weightjacks , and your pretty much there aslo a few minor engine things , As of right now half of the factories are very close to the pro's , But who am I to say I dont even race them anymore !

winners dont cry when they lose , they go back to the 
drawing board and come back for round 2 !

david since 2000 here's whats been allowed to the rules someone correct me if im wrong

1.torque tube, mini clutches

2.ford 9"

3. brake bias dual master cylinder

4. rear disc brakes

5.beadlocks

6.quick steer

7.aftermarket STEEL bodies if ya want one

8.i think aftermarket axles were okayed in the last few years

9.we also took 300 pounds off these turkeys

oh and the motor claim was taken out in 02 cant forget that one

thats really all i can think of the cars have stayed the same just more bolt on stuff has been allowed pretty much every year.

Im pretty sure in 2001 we were still no roller rockers.

Everything Miller said has been changed 'Post Lanny'

Shawn summed it up on the difference in cars.The name Factory Stock is about insulting of the type of car that is raced, Pro's should be called limited late models, and factorys should be called pro stocks!

The History of Factory Stocks at State Fair Speedway

In the late 70s street stocks were stock. Stock engines down to the cams (hydraulic), stock suspension, just gut it and put in a cage. As time went on, every year they let us do more and more. Headers, solid lifter cams. Then in the middle 80s they let us take a GM intermediate frame and cut it down to 108” and called it a Super Stock. In 89 those cars were moved to the half and called Pro Stocks. Back to the Factory Stocks. I believe the first two years there was a $400 claim on the WHOLE CAR. As years went on, every year they were allowed more and more. First aftermarket bodies. Then lowered the weight limit. Nine inch Ford rear ends. Full dual master cylinder brakes with a balance bar.

Who is to blame? THE RACERS! Unless you want to blame the promoter for not protecting us from ourselves. Bud Carsonwas the only promoter who would consistently do that. Racers just naturally want to go faster. What we usually fail to realize is that the other guys will go faster too. It is usually the faster guys with more money that cry for this or that. The other racers usually go along with the fast guys. I’ve never figured that out.

This isn’t just Factory Stocks. Remember $12,000 V6 engines in six cylinder modifieds racing for $150 to win?

This isn’t an engine problem only. Lowering the power of the engine might help a little but it won’t fix the problem. It will just make the cars less fun to drive. Chassis are so sophisticated now that an experienced racer has way too much advantage over a rookie. The only way to fix the problem is to start over. Easy for me to say, ‘cause I don’t have one.

Good Luck

Spivey, you and drtrcr27 answered my question with both of your replies. Being technical stupid even now I understand.

Thank you both

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

i know south of okc most of the rules are driven by what imca does. here at ardmore you will be able to run your alum intake in factory stock. i figured it was cheaper to buy a 160$ alum intake as it was to buy the brezinski cast iron intakes . the problem with a lot of classes is the tech is a nightmare for the racers and the racetrack. it is a tough deal on both sides.

I don't see why Lanny even had the vote when all 3 options sucked and didn't really - as bobcat put it - set sail in a certain direction. They hardly check a damn thing there - it's nuts what the "top tier" guys at sfs get away with. in sprints and stock cars. neither here not there though. Great point that there are not many major differences between pro and factory. Why not just combine the classes? Thats the only way the counts will be respectable.......the pro's have a brighter future than the factories. But both are similar. I think factory counts won't get any bigger. I don't know as many technical things as all of ya'll - but it seems the claim rule is a great idea. may not fix everything - but it is a GIANT step in a good direction. But as everyone already knows - the little fat man wants to count his money and go home. And again - based off that one fact alone (not to mention a ton of others) how in the hell is there a Lanny Edwards promoter of the year award? Having rules and not enforcing them is the same as having none at all - or even worse - it allows favoritism on who gets checked and who doesn't. To my understanding - he doesn't even allow protests. I'm kinda ranting in a different direction here, but I just don;t see the point in a rulebook at sfs anymore if it is not going to be enforced. You have to wonder about the future of the show and track as long as it is being ran like that. There is gonna end up being a difference - more than there already is - in the shows where you have 2 sprint classes and 2 stock classes - and shows that have 1 sprint and 3 stock classes. or even nights when the mods are off - b/c they are by far the best stock class.

sorry for the long post. but there are a ton of things that could be done better - and every year each one of us mull state many of em - and I just hope that some day things may change for the better - instead of always changing for the worst - no matter what class it is.

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The changes that are proposed, I don't see how they are gonna help the class, with the exception of a claim rule. Every time these type of changes are made the expense gets higher to run one of these cars. I too watched, as alot of others have, the classes get out of hand by increasing the limitations each season. If they want to go faster then move up to the next level is a reasonable thing to do. I'm not picking on your comment Mike just stating an opinion, don't that make sense to you? I thought that this class was an entry level class. Not a pro style class. Agree? I also think that the staff of officials are lazy. Maybe they don't care about this class, but alot of the success of SFS rides on this class, even if i don't care to watch them, that fact still remains.

good post

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