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Hooper31
February 02, 2019 at 09:45:25 PM
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So I dropped the $40 to watch for three nights hoping to see lil Haud, the Shark team of Allen and Schuchart, and Shane Stewart in the CJB car. Tim Shaffer there was a bonus. 

Steel City Outlaw was awesome the first two nights and Smoke ran well tonight, but the Outlaws present were virtual no-shows tonight. WTF? Stewart started the feature but dropped a piston and left the track. At least they gave a reason why via twitter. Both Shark drivers left the track in the first few laps of the feature. No explanation as of yet. Really wanted to pull for the two Shark kids, but when they do something like this it makes it hard to root for them. Was nice to see Allen have a good run on night two, but tonight? Who knows? 




Stroker_Race
February 02, 2019 at 10:07:15 PM
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Don’t piss and moan.  Instead try to look at it from the teams perspective.  It was an All-Star show and it had rained all day.  After qualifying the teams most likely determined it wouldn’t make much sense business wise to risk tearing up a car or motor so took the start money and then packed up and headed towards Volusia.  You have to remember that these teams do it for a living and have 90 plus races with the World of Outlaws in front of them yet.  It isn’t the first time it will happen and I am sure it isn’t the last also.



Hooper31
February 03, 2019 at 11:49:31 AM
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This message was edited on February 03, 2019 at 11:51:16 AM by Hooper31
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on February 02 2019 at 10:07:15 PM

Don’t piss and moan.  Instead try to look at it from the teams perspective.  It was an All-Star show and it had rained all day.  After qualifying the teams most likely determined it wouldn’t make much sense business wise to risk tearing up a car or motor so took the start money and then packed up and headed towards Volusia.  You have to remember that these teams do it for a living and have 90 plus races with the World of Outlaws in front of them yet.  It isn’t the first time it will happen and I am sure it isn’t the last also.



Piss and moan?  I know full well they have a long season ahead. You're not telling me or anyone else something new. Perhaps they had a better reason that hasn't been shared as of yet. 

It was dissappointing. It didn't inspire. Why do we tune in? To see something awesome. Watching guys start a feature and then head to the pits so they can make sure they get their start money doesn't inspire. It certainly doesn't sell t-shirts and create a fan base. That said, respect to Shane Stewart for giving it a go and then making sure to let fans know exactly what happened to his car last night. 

Why bother with a reply? Did you have a tough day and just need to lash out at a random guy on the intergoogle?



maddog53
February 03, 2019 at 01:26:10 PM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on February 02 2019 at 10:07:15 PM

Don’t piss and moan.  Instead try to look at it from the teams perspective.  It was an All-Star show and it had rained all day.  After qualifying the teams most likely determined it wouldn’t make much sense business wise to risk tearing up a car or motor so took the start money and then packed up and headed towards Volusia.  You have to remember that these teams do it for a living and have 90 plus races with the World of Outlaws in front of them yet.  It isn’t the first time it will happen and I am sure it isn’t the last also.



Bottom line to me?  Racer's race.....



Nick14
February 03, 2019 at 01:28:59 PM
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Judging by some of the pictures I saw on Twitter & Facebook I wouldn't blame anyone for pulling in early last night. Especially the guys planning to race 90 races this year and having already raced the previous 2 nights. Saw a picture of Brock Zearfross' helmet with a huge layer of Mudd on it. Car looked pretty coated as well. 

Although it sucks seeing drivers pulling off sometimes, in this case I sympathize with them. They take the risk physically & financially so I'm not going to look negative on anyone especially when they have no prior history of doing this before 



Littlegame#1
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February 03, 2019 at 03:12:06 PM
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I don't agree with pulling off. Outlaw race weekdays are only 5000 to win. If you are worried about equipment why race? The big dogs (Outlaws) have plenty equipment. You notice the lower dollar guys race no matter what. Sounds like dam NASCAR here. 



NFillman8
February 03, 2019 at 03:54:24 PM
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Jacob lost and engine early in the night so the team was already down one. After qualifying the team decided it was not worth the extra risk to run the rest of the show. As for the other teams, that didnt run they all (for the most part) are going to run 5 nights in a row at Volusia which has a history of being rough on engines and cars. While most of the smaller teams may be headed home after this weekend so they would like the cash from running the show as some will surely be skipping Volusia like in years past. Plus on top of all of that, the 5 All Star shows between Bubba's and Volusia do not count toward All Star points. So its not entirely worth the extra risk. 



rjb
February 03, 2019 at 04:39:20 PM
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Thanks for that info on Jacob. All the announcer wanted to tell us was who was watching on speedshift.



dirtracer74
February 03, 2019 at 05:00:53 PM
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No one called out Danny Smith? He flat out admiited on twitter that he pulled off cause it was not worth the extra laps on his motor. Naw, only bash the outlaw teams. 

Frankly, I get it. If you are starting 20th, and the track is one lane, and you are not going anywhere, it makes great financial sense to pull off and live to fight another day. 



EasyE
February 03, 2019 at 06:03:27 PM
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Posted By: Littlegame#1 on February 03 2019 at 03:12:06 PM

I don't agree with pulling off. Outlaw race weekdays are only 5000 to win. If you are worried about equipment why race? The big dogs (Outlaws) have plenty equipment. You notice the lower dollar guys race no matter what. Sounds like dam NASCAR here. 



Outlaw weekday minimum 6000



Johnny Gibson
February 03, 2019 at 06:24:25 PM
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There are only 2 "weekday" races on the 2019 World of Outlaws NOS Energy Drink Sprint Car Series schedule that pay less than $10,000 to win.



shernernum
February 03, 2019 at 08:39:13 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on February 03 2019 at 06:24:25 PM

There are only 2 "weekday" races on the 2019 World of Outlaws NOS Energy Drink Sprint Car Series schedule that pay less than $10,000 to win.



Haven’t we gotten some variation of this thread complaint every year since Bubba started running the ASCOC.  it’s not like this hasn't happened before and once again keyboard commandos want to tell race teams how to spend their money.



shernernum
February 03, 2019 at 08:41:57 PM
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And Johnny that obviously wasn’t meant to be directed at you.



Hooper31
February 03, 2019 at 10:33:40 PM
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Posted By: shernernum on February 03 2019 at 08:39:13 PM

Haven’t we gotten some variation of this thread complaint every year since Bubba started running the ASCOC.  it’s not like this hasn't happened before and once again keyboard commandos want to tell race teams how to spend their money.



No one is telling anyone what to do. I said it doesn't inspire. Shane Stewart and the CJB team gave a solid effort. That does inspire. 



shernernum
February 03, 2019 at 11:41:51 PM
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Posted By: Hooper31 on February 03 2019 at 10:33:40 PM

No one is telling anyone what to do. I said it doesn't inspire. Shane Stewart and the CJB team gave a solid effort. That does inspire. 



I don’t think Shark racing or any of the other teams are going to hurt their fanbase much by pulling out of an unsanctioned race at the beginning of a 90-100 race season in track conditions that they determined were far more risk than reward, but that’s just me.  I think a lot of the teams treat the Bubba races as glorified test sessions in the first place.



Hooper31
February 04, 2019 at 08:34:32 AM
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Posted By: shernernum on February 03 2019 at 11:41:51 PM

I don’t think Shark racing or any of the other teams are going to hurt their fanbase much by pulling out of an unsanctioned race at the beginning of a 90-100 race season in track conditions that they determined were far more risk than reward, but that’s just me.  I think a lot of the teams treat the Bubba races as glorified test sessions in the first place.



Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. 

For me? I think starting a feature and leaving the track after a lap only to collect a check is lame. If they really felt that way they shouldn't have even started the feature and just left in my opinion. If they feel they've earned it and deserve to get paid in that situation I disagree. At the end of the day everyone has to look in the mirror and decide for themselves. I would feel like I was stealing in some way. 



W2Motorsports
February 04, 2019 at 08:48:11 AM
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Posted By: Hooper31 on February 04 2019 at 08:34:32 AM

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. 

For me? I think starting a feature and leaving the track after a lap only to collect a check is lame. If they really felt that way they shouldn't have even started the feature and just left in my opinion. If they feel they've earned it and deserve to get paid in that situation I disagree. At the end of the day everyone has to look in the mirror and decide for themselves. I would feel like I was stealing in some way. 



Would it be more inspiring if they had races at Bubba's and lost another engine, and then had to drop off the Outlaws tour at some point in the near future because they didn't have the funds to replace two engines? You are complaining about perhaps the lowest budget team on the Outlaws, they have always raced in the way that most protects their budget, because if they didn't they wouldn't have made it this far. 



fiXXXer
February 04, 2019 at 08:52:40 AM
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Posted By: Hooper31 on February 04 2019 at 08:34:32 AM

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. 

For me? I think starting a feature and leaving the track after a lap only to collect a check is lame. If they really felt that way they shouldn't have even started the feature and just left in my opinion. If they feel they've earned it and deserve to get paid in that situation I disagree. At the end of the day everyone has to look in the mirror and decide for themselves. I would feel like I was stealing in some way. 



I don't like the start and park thing myself but that's their business. That said, I do have a little more respect for the guys who go out and do the best they can even if conditions are difficult. Tacky tracks used to be a part of the sport but we're seeing an increasing amount of guys who would rather pull in than gas it through the cornfield. There was a show at Williams Grove last year where the track was very heavy and a bunch of guys pulled in. I personally don't like it because there was a time when racers showed up and raced. If it was heavy, they did their best to adjust the car and their driving to suit the conditions. If it was dry slick, they did the same. Everyone has their preference for track conditions and I do understand the other side of the argument because it's their equipment and it's their ass that's strapped into it so as much as I don't like it, I do respect their decision. But I miss the days when racers just raced. Times have changed.



StanM
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February 04, 2019 at 11:35:25 AM
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This message was edited on February 04, 2019 at 11:35:54 AM by StanM

I was a happy Speed Shift viewer on both Friday and Saturday nights.  It was fun watching live racing after suffering through a week of close to -50 wind chills and -32 actual temp one evening.  If I ever start paying the bills on one of these cars I'll have a voice in whether the car I'm backing pulls into the infield.  Until then my glass is half full.  wink


Stan Meissner

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February 04, 2019 at 12:38:08 PM
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Posted By: maddog53 on February 03 2019 at 01:26:10 PM

Bottom line to me?  Racer's race.....



To those who say racers race....   ... there are a lot of racers not racing beacuse the money's not there.  So I really don't think it's fair to pick on team that showed up, put the car on the track, and thought, "it's a long shot to make any more than we already made, let's not run up the bill."  Engine costs are going to run $500 a night if you put all the laps on the engine, and you'll use up a set of tires and $80-$90  in methanol.  So would you incur $900-1000 worth of expense, just to say you stayed out there?  On a narrow track that is hard to pass on?  This isn't the 80's and I'm impressed with any team, not owned by a multi mullionaire, that can keep the car on the road.





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