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OWH
June 12, 2017 at 10:36:04 AM
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I have been a long time reader on here, but finally decided to sign up and post. I simply cannot keep quiet anymore. What has happened to the IRA? On Thursday night at Angell Park, an accident happened. I will not name names of the drivers, but from what I saw of it, it appeared to just be a racing deal. But after the accident, one driver forced his way through the safety workers, reached into the other car, grabbed the driver by the lip of the helmet and started shaking his head, before the safety crew had determined if he was alright or not. The attacking driver was allowed to race the next two nights with no punishment at all. Allowing all that to happen with no repercussions is pretty asinine in my honest opinion. If the driver being grabbed had any injuries, this simple action could seriously impact their health and safety. I know for a fact that another driver did the exact same thing to someone at an IRA event a number of years ago and he was suspended 2 weeks. Why the change? Why is this behavior all of a sudden acceptable??? Why the double standard?? Why the special treatment?? If there have been any penalties handed out to this driver, no one is aware of them, and if anything was handed out, it wasn't a suspension like it has been for other drivers in the past. I sincerely hope that these antics do not lead to a serious injury of a driver in the future, as it appears physical retaliation after wrecks is acceptable. This mixed with a few other questionable calls over the past 3 weeks or so has turned the IRA into a little bit of a circus. I have been a LONG time supporter, and they just lost me as a fan. I cannot support this behavior at all right now. I refuse to support a circus unless it is billed as one. It looks like Knoxville and Indiana tracks will be getting more of my dime from here on out.




Kool Trikes
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June 12, 2017 at 10:48:36 AM
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From what I hear Meyer just went over and grabbed his helmet to help pull  his head out of his ass.


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maddog53
June 12, 2017 at 10:57:32 AM
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Posted By: OWH on June 12 2017 at 10:36:04 AM

I have been a long time reader on here, but finally decided to sign up and post. I simply cannot keep quiet anymore. What has happened to the IRA? On Thursday night at Angell Park, an accident happened. I will not name names of the drivers, but from what I saw of it, it appeared to just be a racing deal. But after the accident, one driver forced his way through the safety workers, reached into the other car, grabbed the driver by the lip of the helmet and started shaking his head, before the safety crew had determined if he was alright or not. The attacking driver was allowed to race the next two nights with no punishment at all. Allowing all that to happen with no repercussions is pretty asinine in my honest opinion. If the driver being grabbed had any injuries, this simple action could seriously impact their health and safety. I know for a fact that another driver did the exact same thing to someone at an IRA event a number of years ago and he was suspended 2 weeks. Why the change? Why is this behavior all of a sudden acceptable??? Why the double standard?? Why the special treatment?? If there have been any penalties handed out to this driver, no one is aware of them, and if anything was handed out, it wasn't a suspension like it has been for other drivers in the past. I sincerely hope that these antics do not lead to a serious injury of a driver in the future, as it appears physical retaliation after wrecks is acceptable. This mixed with a few other questionable calls over the past 3 weeks or so has turned the IRA into a little bit of a circus. I have been a LONG time supporter, and they just lost me as a fan. I cannot support this behavior at all right now. I refuse to support a circus unless it is billed as one. It looks like Knoxville and Indiana tracks will be getting more of my dime from here on out.



I also was wondering about this.  I heard all that had happened, and by the way, Steve Meyer did a pussy move by doing what he did, someone should just go up to him and shake the shit out of him.   Is there going to be a penalty?   Is there going to be some sort of suspension?   Why doesn't the IRA release this information?  Like the OP, people are going to start thinking the IRA is nothing but a joke.  I am thinking there is a little nepotism going on as Meyers Wife has been a scorer for years.  I guess that makes it okay to assault someone, right in front of tons of people, and get away with it....I call bullshit.  Assault is assault




maddog53
June 12, 2017 at 10:58:33 AM
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Posted By: Kool Trikes on June 12 2017 at 10:48:36 AM

From what I hear Meyer just went over and grabbed his helmet to help pull  his head out of his ass.



From what you hear?  Did you see any of it?  What a dick post



cheroger
June 12, 2017 at 11:20:06 AM
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 12 2017 at 10:58:33 AM

From what you hear?  Did you see any of it?  What a dick post



I agree, it's a dick post.  But a very funny dick post. LOL



shanefan
June 13, 2017 at 01:58:50 AM
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Posted By: OWH on June 12 2017 at 10:36:04 AM

I have been a long time reader on here, but finally decided to sign up and post. I simply cannot keep quiet anymore. What has happened to the IRA? On Thursday night at Angell Park, an accident happened. I will not name names of the drivers, but from what I saw of it, it appeared to just be a racing deal. But after the accident, one driver forced his way through the safety workers, reached into the other car, grabbed the driver by the lip of the helmet and started shaking his head, before the safety crew had determined if he was alright or not. The attacking driver was allowed to race the next two nights with no punishment at all. Allowing all that to happen with no repercussions is pretty asinine in my honest opinion. If the driver being grabbed had any injuries, this simple action could seriously impact their health and safety. I know for a fact that another driver did the exact same thing to someone at an IRA event a number of years ago and he was suspended 2 weeks. Why the change? Why is this behavior all of a sudden acceptable??? Why the double standard?? Why the special treatment?? If there have been any penalties handed out to this driver, no one is aware of them, and if anything was handed out, it wasn't a suspension like it has been for other drivers in the past. I sincerely hope that these antics do not lead to a serious injury of a driver in the future, as it appears physical retaliation after wrecks is acceptable. This mixed with a few other questionable calls over the past 3 weeks or so has turned the IRA into a little bit of a circus. I have been a LONG time supporter, and they just lost me as a fan. I cannot support this behavior at all right now. I refuse to support a circus unless it is billed as one. It looks like Knoxville and Indiana tracks will be getting more of my dime from here on out.



I agree with pretty much everything you said, then add in the whole draw for starting position which is a complete waste of time and it really looks bad. Could have been bad if the driver had been seriously hurt and then had someone grab his helmet like that. If Meyer wants to be a badass at least wait until the other driver gets out of his car so he has a chance to defend himself. 




Stealth87
June 13, 2017 at 03:36:04 PM
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I would honestly just like to see the shows moved along a little more. The draw for the top 10 starting positions is painfully long. Thursday night at Angell Park saw B main cars pushed on to the track, only to sit there for 20+ minutes waiting for the draw to happen. Drivers are rushed to their cars to strap in and get to the track only to wait for a terribly long time. It is a complete rarity to see an IRA show done any time before 11pm or midnight on a Friday or Saturday night. Id love to be able to attend a show, then drive home with enough time to have a beer or two at the local tavern. But with how long these shows take, that almost never happens. Support classes can be blamed for as long as you want. But other, larger car count shows are over at decent times. Sundy night at Angell Park saw late models, MSA sprints, Badger midgets and legends cars run. The legends and Badger features were over before the sun was completely down. Even with 4 series, and two track prep breaks the whole show was done at the same time the Thursday night IRA feature was just pushing off


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maddog53
June 13, 2017 at 04:09:47 PM
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Posted By: Stealth87 on June 13 2017 at 03:36:04 PM

I would honestly just like to see the shows moved along a little more. The draw for the top 10 starting positions is painfully long. Thursday night at Angell Park saw B main cars pushed on to the track, only to sit there for 20+ minutes waiting for the draw to happen. Drivers are rushed to their cars to strap in and get to the track only to wait for a terribly long time. It is a complete rarity to see an IRA show done any time before 11pm or midnight on a Friday or Saturday night. Id love to be able to attend a show, then drive home with enough time to have a beer or two at the local tavern. But with how long these shows take, that almost never happens. Support classes can be blamed for as long as you want. But other, larger car count shows are over at decent times. Sundy night at Angell Park saw late models, MSA sprints, Badger midgets and legends cars run. The legends and Badger features were over before the sun was completely down. Even with 4 series, and two track prep breaks the whole show was done at the same time the Thursday night IRA feature was just pushing off



I concur.  Freakishly long shows are really getting old.  Same thing happens at Wilmot ALL the time, yet they have no draw.  You are lucky to get done before 11:30.  I agree on the IRA draw.  It is a complete waste of time.  If they do it for the fans to get an 'up close and personal' view of the drivers, it kind of backfires because the little kids are too damn tired or already sleeping when it comes time to visit their "Heroes" for a hero card, plus guys just want to load up and get on the road at that hour. Kind of backfires on them if you ask me.  Maybe there SHOULD be curfews at all tracks to stop this ridiculous trend



heinen81
June 13, 2017 at 04:23:16 PM
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 13 2017 at 04:09:47 PM

I concur.  Freakishly long shows are really getting old.  Same thing happens at Wilmot ALL the time, yet they have no draw.  You are lucky to get done before 11:30.  I agree on the IRA draw.  It is a complete waste of time.  If they do it for the fans to get an 'up close and personal' view of the drivers, it kind of backfires because the little kids are too damn tired or already sleeping when it comes time to visit their "Heroes" for a hero card, plus guys just want to load up and get on the road at that hour. Kind of backfires on them if you ask me.  Maybe there SHOULD be curfews at all tracks to stop this ridiculous trend



Very true. there was a stretch at Beaver Dam last year, where two shows we ran there, were done by 9:30- 9:45. Pits were packed for over an hour after, and kids getting autographs and sitting in the car. The rest of the shows ending at 11:00-11:30.... hardly anyone stops in and everyone is scrambling to get out of there. Times have changed, its all about instant gratification now days... people dont want to sit in the same place for 6 hours straight. Between the long redraw and so many support classes, it just takes away the excitement of the a-main to basically "its 11 already? lets push them off and get this done so we can get home at a reasonable time". People will be happy as hell if you give them a good show and have them on the road by 10. i hear that from so many people. I know people who have kids, that wont pay 40$ for 2 tickets, because they know the IRA a-main wont push off before 10 and they have to leave because the kids are falling sleep, and thats who they came to watch to start with.




maddog53
June 13, 2017 at 05:07:01 PM
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Posted By: heinen81 on June 13 2017 at 04:23:16 PM

Very true. there was a stretch at Beaver Dam last year, where two shows we ran there, were done by 9:30- 9:45. Pits were packed for over an hour after, and kids getting autographs and sitting in the car. The rest of the shows ending at 11:00-11:30.... hardly anyone stops in and everyone is scrambling to get out of there. Times have changed, its all about instant gratification now days... people dont want to sit in the same place for 6 hours straight. Between the long redraw and so many support classes, it just takes away the excitement of the a-main to basically "its 11 already? lets push them off and get this done so we can get home at a reasonable time". People will be happy as hell if you give them a good show and have them on the road by 10. i hear that from so many people. I know people who have kids, that wont pay 40$ for 2 tickets, because they know the IRA a-main wont push off before 10 and they have to leave because the kids are falling sleep, and thats who they came to watch to start with.



Just seems like its getting worse. We will probably hear how the transponders are not working right or something.  That's another point....Line ups......It seems like they take longer and longer every week.  This is part of the problem with late nights.  It seemed faster with wipe boards for lineups.  I say, get em in the car, push em off in the pits in ORDER, not who is there first, and then that part is done.  If they miss the call, they lose their spot.  End of story



GTigers55
June 13, 2017 at 05:07:24 PM
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I've seen tracks do a dash draw in reasonable amounts of time, usually while the track is being reworked in the background. I've never been to wisconsin area let alone seen an IRA race and from the way you guys make it sound seems like they just need to speed up the process a little bit. Lots of sanctioning bodies and tracks talk to the guys to do dash draw/redraw for a main.



shanefan
June 13, 2017 at 08:08:25 PM
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 13 2017 at 04:09:47 PM

I concur.  Freakishly long shows are really getting old.  Same thing happens at Wilmot ALL the time, yet they have no draw.  You are lucky to get done before 11:30.  I agree on the IRA draw.  It is a complete waste of time.  If they do it for the fans to get an 'up close and personal' view of the drivers, it kind of backfires because the little kids are too damn tired or already sleeping when it comes time to visit their "Heroes" for a hero card, plus guys just want to load up and get on the road at that hour. Kind of backfires on them if you ask me.  Maybe there SHOULD be curfews at all tracks to stop this ridiculous trend



I agree!!!  The best place for kids and adult fans to see the drivers is in the pits afterwards.  Kids can get hero cards and drivers will sell more t-shirts. We planned on going to the pits after the Thursday nite show but had to be up early on Friday so we had to leave. If the show would have gotten over half an hour to 45 minutes earlier we would have went to the pits and bought a couple shirts. 




Schmidting
June 14, 2017 at 10:05:36 AM
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Posted By: OWH on June 12 2017 at 10:36:04 AM

I have been a long time reader on here, but finally decided to sign up and post. I simply cannot keep quiet anymore. What has happened to the IRA? On Thursday night at Angell Park, an accident happened. I will not name names of the drivers, but from what I saw of it, it appeared to just be a racing deal. But after the accident, one driver forced his way through the safety workers, reached into the other car, grabbed the driver by the lip of the helmet and started shaking his head, before the safety crew had determined if he was alright or not. The attacking driver was allowed to race the next two nights with no punishment at all. Allowing all that to happen with no repercussions is pretty asinine in my honest opinion. If the driver being grabbed had any injuries, this simple action could seriously impact their health and safety. I know for a fact that another driver did the exact same thing to someone at an IRA event a number of years ago and he was suspended 2 weeks. Why the change? Why is this behavior all of a sudden acceptable??? Why the double standard?? Why the special treatment?? If there have been any penalties handed out to this driver, no one is aware of them, and if anything was handed out, it wasn't a suspension like it has been for other drivers in the past. I sincerely hope that these antics do not lead to a serious injury of a driver in the future, as it appears physical retaliation after wrecks is acceptable. This mixed with a few other questionable calls over the past 3 weeks or so has turned the IRA into a little bit of a circus. I have been a LONG time supporter, and they just lost me as a fan. I cannot support this behavior at all right now. I refuse to support a circus unless it is billed as one. It looks like Knoxville and Indiana tracks will be getting more of my dime from here on out.



Idk how up to date on your social media following, but this was just posted on the IRA's facebook, 

"Penalties including probation and fines were delivered following our recent 3-day weekend. As a reminder stay with your car following any on track incident. And do not go to other teams pit stalls in an aggressive manner."

 

https://www.facebook.com/irasprints/posts/1320973704605790



maddog53
June 14, 2017 at 11:17:40 AM
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Posted By: Schmidting on June 14 2017 at 10:05:36 AM

Idk how up to date on your social media following, but this was just posted on the IRA's facebook, 

"Penalties including probation and fines were delivered following our recent 3-day weekend. As a reminder stay with your car following any on track incident. And do not go to other teams pit stalls in an aggressive manner."

 

https://www.facebook.com/irasprints/posts/1320973704605790



That was just posted today, the original post was Monday 



Schmidting
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 14 2017 at 11:17:40 AM

That was just posted today, the original post was Monday 



Correct!

As stated in my post at that time, the statement was JUST posted. 

All I am trying to due was make aware that actions have been taken by the IRA pertaining to the event that this orginal post is about




OWH
June 14, 2017 at 01:18:10 PM
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I did happen to see their response on Facebook. It could either be good or bad depending on your view of the situation. Notice that they do not lay ground rules down as to what penalties will be handed out in the future if it happens again. Meaning that if the same thing happens this weekend (as an example) with two other drivers, they better not hand out a more strict penalty to someone else, or they could have a lawsuit on their hands. They've laid the ground rules that you can touch another driver that has not been cleared to be ok after an accident, and you will only face probation and what I can only imagine is a very small fine. Phew... thats a lot of weight to put on your own shoulders for someone else's actions.



Ace1
June 14, 2017 at 01:45:32 PM
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Posted By: OWH on June 14 2017 at 01:18:10 PM

I did happen to see their response on Facebook. It could either be good or bad depending on your view of the situation. Notice that they do not lay ground rules down as to what penalties will be handed out in the future if it happens again. Meaning that if the same thing happens this weekend (as an example) with two other drivers, they better not hand out a more strict penalty to someone else, or they could have a lawsuit on their hands. They've laid the ground rules that you can touch another driver that has not been cleared to be ok after an accident, and you will only face probation and what I can only imagine is a very small fine. Phew... thats a lot of weight to put on your own shoulders for someone else's actions.



Precedent has been set.  If one driver has a hard on for another, all he needs to do is assault him while still in his car, AFTER a wreck, and expect no more than probation and a small fine



Ace1
June 15, 2017 at 09:31:32 AM
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Posted By: maddog53 on June 13 2017 at 04:09:47 PM

I concur.  Freakishly long shows are really getting old.  Same thing happens at Wilmot ALL the time, yet they have no draw.  You are lucky to get done before 11:30.  I agree on the IRA draw.  It is a complete waste of time.  If they do it for the fans to get an 'up close and personal' view of the drivers, it kind of backfires because the little kids are too damn tired or already sleeping when it comes time to visit their "Heroes" for a hero card, plus guys just want to load up and get on the road at that hour. Kind of backfires on them if you ask me.  Maybe there SHOULD be curfews at all tracks to stop this ridiculous trend



It also has a lot to do with having to have 4, 5 classes running on any given night for the back gate purse.  Maybe people would put their butts in the seats knowing they will get out at a decent hour, but instead the afformentioned 4, 5 classes are run instead.  The most recent IRA show only had 3 classes running all night, and yet the night dragged on and on....3 classes of cars should not run anywhere near 11, 11:30,  as it did that night.




PEDO
June 15, 2017 at 11:47:19 AM
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This club just needs to be consistant in its calls.  Any penalty of a driver or crew should directly affect the car for the night.  Points and money should be gone and fines to people involved.  Hold teams accountable as a team and some of the problems will go away.


4BFan

Sickboyz171
June 17, 2017 at 10:19:20 AM
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id second this, no one blinked an eye when the king of the sherm nation got out of his car at beaver dam when him and the gladatior got together. when the rule states stay in your car. But no one wants to rain on the Kings parade 





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