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dmantx
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June 11, 2017 at 09:15:30 AM
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Michael Day's RaceSaver legal car wins $2,000 SCB 360 event!

POSTED 6/11/17: for pic go to www.SprintCarBandits.com 

CONGRATULATIONS to Michael Day for taking home a 
well-deserved Sprint Car Bandits feature event win at 
Superbowl Speedway on Saturday, June 10th!

This marks the first ever RaceSaver legal engine to take a 
feature win in Sprint Car Bandits competition - and proves 
that our Series rules not only work, but you don't need a 
$45,000 engine in order to compete! Coupled with our tire 
rules, we're helping race teams run for full purses and save 
money while getting to do what they love.

We'd like to thank the 27-car field of quality drivers for their 
support and putting on such an excellent night of racing. At 
one point in the first heat race, there were FIVE CARS WIDE 
in corners 1-2...and no one crashed. As a matter of fact, no 
one got upside down all night long.

Thanks also goes out to the Bryant family for having a quality 
racing surface for all three Sprint Car Bandits events in 2017, 
which has really allowed us to showcase the quality of racing.

Finishing 2nd Saturday night was a hard charging Justin 
Melton driving the PRO-TECH Service #11 who started 13th.

17th place starter Michael Lang would finish third. Michael 
was dusting the field in his heat race after starting 4th when 
engine woes made him a DNF. He would then start the 
B-feature in 9th and would drive his way to the win.

We'd also like to thank Kustom Craft Exhibits of Seagoville for 
putting up TWO Hard Charger awards last night.

Complete results and points will be posted in the days to 
come, but we wanted to get out this quickie post. Our next 
Sprint Car Bandits event is already posted - which is 
Saturday July 1st at LoneStar Speedway near Kilgore, TX.




alum.427
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dry slick surface undoubtibly the 305 is going to be able to run with the 360 same holds true for a 360 running against a 410 but if you get them on a long track the smaller motors don't have a chance good for the 305 guy still a 25,000 min investment



Murphy
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dry slick surface undoubtibly the 305 is going to be able to run with the 360 same holds true for a 360 running against a 410 but if you get them on a long track the smaller motors don't have a chance good for the 305 guy still a 25,000 min investment



     Does the Racesaver engine now have to be recertified before it can be used in another Racesaver race?




alum.427
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As long as the seals are not tampered 



dmantx
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     Does the Racesaver engine now have to be recertified before it can be used in another Racesaver race?



Not in this case as it was not a 305 race. 

That only applies if youre racing in a non-RaceSaver 305 race. 

And the track was fast fast and pretty heavy when he passed enough cars in his heat to earn 2nd highest passing points total. 

Anyone that was at the race will tell you that you can't take anything away from him. He earned the win fully. 



Murphy
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Posted By: dmantx on June 11 2017 at 08:28:04 PM

Not in this case as it was not a 305 race. 

That only applies if youre racing in a non-RaceSaver 305 race. 

And the track was fast fast and pretty heavy when he passed enough cars in his heat to earn 2nd highest passing points total. 

Anyone that was at the race will tell you that you can't take anything away from him. He earned the win fully. 



Why is the rule different if it was a 305 race?




dmantx
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Murphy- the RaceSaver rule is in place so you can't run your RaceSaver engine at a competing 305 event because some of them have more liberal rules.

And if that RaceSaver team installed those liberal changes to their engine for that non-sanctioned event they want to make sure the engine is recertified before that engine races a sanctioned event again. 

Series with a larger C.I. rule are not in direct competition with RaceSaver and are not trying to 'change' how RaceSaver rules are. 

Hope that helps explain the difference.   Smile



dmantx
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June 12, 2017 at 02:57:39 PM
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Murphy, part 2:

Another reason for the rule is to protect sanctioned tracks (very very similar to the 'WoO 24/48 hour rule'.

Example. There will be 100 or so RaceSaver sprints at Eagle Raceway on Labor Day weekend.

Let's say some track says: "Hey, lets run 305 sprints the day before Eagle and we'll get a ton of them because they'll come here on their way."

Well, if it's not a sanctioned track/event, that means they won't have a certified RaceSaver tech person on hand, and it's not fair to the track putting up all the money and effort to pull those teams to begin with.

However, if a track nearby runs a 360 event and some of the 305 cars (from Knoxville-type rules or RaceSaver rules) choose to go there first, then no one really takes issue with it.

Unrelated to your question, but related to the health and growth of sprint car racing here in the DFW region:

Here's the big deal regarding the Sprint Car Bandits series. Ask any of the top 25 in points what it's like running our strict wing angle rule, our LR tire circumference rule, and our 'same rear tires all night long' rule and see what they say.

I guarantee you they will all say the same thing: by freeing up the car they can pass much easier, the lower downforce doesn't burn up tires even close to racing with no wing angle rule, and it allows drivers that know how to race a sprint car to pass cars easier, as it puts the driver more back in control. Then you add to it our LR and RR tire rules, it has a substantial costs savings to drivers each night they race the SCB series. Click www.SprintCarBandits.com for detailed rules (and a link to our wing angle video).

In this juncture of the sport, fans don't want to pay excessive ticket prices and few tracks can afford to pay purses that it takes to get a decent field of sprint cars. Then you add to it the fact that we, the series, bring cash with us to make up the difference in the track contract price vs. the total posted purse; it has created a happy-happy-happy solution. Drivers are happy racing for full purse and saving money. Tracks can promote a full purse event - without having to pay the whole thing (especially in the sanctioning fee department). And the fans are happy because they're getting in to see them race for $3-5 less/ticket.

If you're wondering how we can afford to do it, it's pretty simple. We just take our sponsor money and divide it up per event and bring it with us.

This series is about reinvigorating the sport, not lining our pockets. It's working great and we don't have any real plans to change any of it soon. We operate on an extremely low overhead too.

Saturday night we raced on a 1/4 mile semi-banked track that is, I would say 'average' width, and I don't think there was a point all night where cars weren't racing 2-3 wide somewhere in the field.

In the first heat race in corner 1-2 they were 5 wide at one point (and didn't crash). I couldn't believe it, but it happened. As soon as we can get our videos from Saturday posted, I'll include them in this post so you all can check it out and see what you think.

I'm really looking forward to our next event at LoneStar on July 1. That super-wide high-banked track clearkly showcases how awesome this rules package and series is. Every Sprint Car Bandits race there has been spectacular, with tons of passing, slidejobs and side-by-side racing.

For those of you in the region that are sprint car fans, you've got to check it out if you can.

Smile



W2Motorsports
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Posted By: alum.427 on June 11 2017 at 09:55:11 AM

dry slick surface undoubtibly the 305 is going to be able to run with the 360 same holds true for a 360 running against a 410 but if you get them on a long track the smaller motors don't have a chance good for the 305 guy still a 25,000 min investment



If you spent $25,000 on a Racesaver 305 then sorry to say you got screwed.




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Posted By: W2Motorsports on June 13 2017 at 11:47:21 AM

If you spent $25,000 on a Racesaver 305 then sorry to say you got screwed.



I wouldn't say that, but certainly not a wise choice. I've said it before; a top of the line engine from a local builder is under $10,000 and you can do it cheaper yourself.

For $25,000 you should get 2 engines and a car!!! Smile

Jack Dover won the Sprint Series of Nebraska Racesaver race at Eagle Raceway last evening and commented how much more competitive the Racesaver series was than the 360 series. You CAN race, and be competitive and it won't cost you anywhere near $25,000!!!


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Murphy
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Posted By: dmantx on June 12 2017 at 06:18:48 AM

Murphy- the RaceSaver rule is in place so you can't run your RaceSaver engine at a competing 305 event because some of them have more liberal rules.

And if that RaceSaver team installed those liberal changes to their engine for that non-sanctioned event they want to make sure the engine is recertified before that engine races a sanctioned event again. 

Series with a larger C.I. rule are not in direct competition with RaceSaver and are not trying to 'change' how RaceSaver rules are. 

Hope that helps explain the difference.   Smile



    I see from your futher post that it's a lot about turf and sanctions and such (ok really about control and money, but whatever). Who's to say that a 305 Racesaver team wouldn't *liberalize* their 305 Racesaver motor when running a 360 race?



dmantx
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Posted By: Murphy on June 14 2017 at 10:50:31 AM

    I see from your futher post that it's a lot about turf and sanctions and such (ok really about control and money, but whatever). Who's to say that a 305 Racesaver team wouldn't *liberalize* their 305 Racesaver motor when running a 360 race?



I guess it's like school kids on a playground, you'd really have to have one teacher per kid (translated: a tech person to follow around each driver) to catch everything, but this is what RaceSaver's rationale is regarding all of that 'non-RaceSaver 305' conversation.

Then, it's up to each RaceSaver tech to keep up with all of these 'non-RaceSaver events' and recertifications and whatnot.

Pretty much a nightmare, but that's part of the reason for the explosive growth of that segment of sprint car racing.

It is rather complicated, but that is their rationale...so when someone like you has a question, it's very easy to understand why.

And I appreciate everyone on this post asking good, logical questions, without it turning into one of 'those' types of hoseheads posts...LOL.

Have a good week everyone and see you at the races!




turtle4156
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have a question about racing other 305 non sanctioned races. when going from non sanctioned to a racesaver race does the driver have to have motor completely torn down for retech or will pre tech before that racesaver race be enough.



alum.427
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The 25k meant it could get you in a car



dmantx
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have a question about racing other 305 non sanctioned races. when going from non sanctioned to a racesaver race does the driver have to have motor completely torn down for retech or will pre tech before that racesaver race be enough.



I would suggest contacting your area's certified RaceSaver tech person prior to competing in one of those non-sanctioned events. They will instruct you on the process.




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Posted By: dmantx on June 12 2017 at 06:18:48 AM

Murphy- the RaceSaver rule is in place so you can't run your RaceSaver engine at a competing 305 event because some of them have more liberal rules.

And if that RaceSaver team installed those liberal changes to their engine for that non-sanctioned event they want to make sure the engine is recertified before that engine races a sanctioned event again. 

Series with a larger C.I. rule are not in direct competition with RaceSaver and are not trying to 'change' how RaceSaver rules are. 

Hope that helps explain the difference.   Smile



This is exactly what is killing short track racing today. Especially pavement racing. Everyone wants to have their own set of rules, so that "their" guys can not go anywhere else and race. With each new set of rules that pops up, it continues to divide the car count. Say what you want, but it is starting to affect the dirt track side as well. 

We use to be able to race three nights a week, at three different tracks. Today, we can race one night unless we want to buy a new set of tires, and make some changes to the car every day. This may not be a big deal on the dirt side yet, but it was not a big deal on the pavement a few years ago when they started it. 



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That's why Racesaver is growing all over the country; 1 set of rules that even a 40-hour a week guy can race in affordably.

Racesaver Sprints are the largest sanction of sprint car racers in the world right now, by number. There's a reason for it.


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Fast20mn
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Race saver 305 was able to win with the sprint car bandits because of the rules. Here are some of the major rules to unhook the car. 20 deg max wing angle with no slider, 92'' left rear only, no bleeders and must run the same rear tires all night.




Michael_N
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Does anybody know what kind of motor is in the car that Bryan Howland won with on the Patriot Sprint Tour a couple weeks ago? It is nice to see folks winning races with "lesser" engines and presumably less expense. Here is the video from YouTube, you may have to cut and past if it does not hyperlink:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn6l2NaRLFA

 

 



dmantx
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For those of you that weren't there, I finally have a video of one of the SCB heat races from this particular night that really helps illustrate the various points in this post:

https://youtu.be/oyu2TRqdZr4

...and this heat shows one point where the drivers were 5-wide in corners 1-2, and several times that they were 2 or 3 wide throughout the race.

The driver that started 7th was in his RaceSaver legal 305, and would end up winning this heat to become the highest point driver. (This was heat 1, won by Chad Wilson.)

And as you'll see in the video, the track had plenty of bite in it.

In the 3rd heat, Michael Day started 7th in his RaceSaver legal 305 and would pass his way up to a 2nd place finish - becoming the 2nd high point driver for the night.





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