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Topic: Karl Kinser Ricky Warner. Who's the best! Email this topic to a friend | Subscribe to this TopicReport this Topic to Moderator
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Littlegame#1
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December 27, 2016 at 01:17:31 PM
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I know this is going to be a hot Topic. But who do you think is the best? I say Karl Kinser.. He could put anybody in his car and win back in the day. I feel Ricky is just as good in this era. Tough call. What do you all think? One thing for sure they both had Knoxville figured out.  




linbob
December 27, 2016 at 01:51:13 PM
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Posted By: Littlegame#1 on December 27 2016 at 01:17:31 PM

I know this is going to be a hot Topic. But who do you think is the best? I say Karl Kinser.. He could put anybody in his car and win back in the day. I feel Ricky is just as good in this era. Tough call. What do you all think? One thing for sure they both had Knoxville figured out.  



Hard to say, but when Warner has over 600  WOO wins and over 800 sprint car wins we can talk about it.



linbob
December 27, 2016 at 01:54:44 PM
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Posted By: linbob on December 27 2016 at 01:51:13 PM

Hard to say, but when Warner has over 600  WOO wins and over 800 sprint car wins we can talk about it.



Might also add that Karl built a great amount of his engines.




Charles Nungester
December 27, 2016 at 02:23:13 PM
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Your going to be hard pressed to find anyone who knows anything about this sport that would argue against Karl Kinser.  He won before and after Steve.  Not only built but designed motors.  Even when they were running Gaerte's he'd be in the garage porting the heads another 20 thousanths.  Also came out with one of the first lightweight sprint cars.

 



dsc1600
December 27, 2016 at 02:43:26 PM
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Clearly Karl, both Steve and Mark had their best years by far in his cars. Mark especially had unbelievable years in the 5m and wasn't even close to dominant in other cars. 



BigRightRear
December 27, 2016 at 03:27:30 PM
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Less rules to break in the roll your own traction control years... Since Karl didn't grow up on posse soil... He gets the nod in this forum. 


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vande77
December 27, 2016 at 03:42:37 PM
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Karl IMO,  won many, many races with Dick Gaines (before he got hurt) including the Knoxville Nationals, then hired Steve and won a TON and multiple Knoxville Nationals and WoO titles, then when Steve left for NASCAR Mark won multiple WoO titles, multiple Knoxville Nationals and multiple races.

IMO, if he came back today he'd make anyone an immediate contender (maybe not an immediate champion, but contender right away) even though he's been away for 10+ years.



Sprinteratheart
December 27, 2016 at 04:34:53 PM
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Hard to say, Karls era was one of innovation where you built your own parts. I believe Rickys era is more

focused on detail to set up. Not saying Karl couldnt set up a car or Ricky couldnt create parts

but his hands are tied more than Karls.



Beer Time
December 27, 2016 at 04:45:08 PM
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Neither one in my opinion. Davey Brown Sr. is the man Over 1000 win.




sedy
December 27, 2016 at 05:50:00 PM
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This garbage again. Karl and steve did amazing things BUT they also had the best motors by a landslide and yes karl was a machineist and chassis wizard. Hard to compare ricky and donny when they buy parts off the shelf. And don't give me any Shaver garbage either!!!  Glad I got to talk to and watch all of them !!!



dirtlover
December 27, 2016 at 06:42:13 PM
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Neither...... I would say Sammy

I love a quote by Karl Kinser in open wheel along time ago that went something along the lines of 

"If all the drivers had to wrench and then drive then Sammy would rarely lose a race"

Karl said this not me but it's true



saphead
December 27, 2016 at 07:01:55 PM
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Don't lump Karl in with the modern day parts changers.




HDsmoke20
December 27, 2016 at 07:12:37 PM
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Posted By: dirtlover on December 27 2016 at 06:42:13 PM

Neither...... I would say Sammy

I love a quote by Karl Kinser in open wheel along time ago that went something along the lines of 

"If all the drivers had to wrench and then drive then Sammy would rarely lose a race"

Karl said this not me but it's true



After Mark and Sammy wrecked at the Nationals in 97 and they were done with their finger pointing and whining, Sammy told Karl "If you and I teamed up, we'd never lose a race!" In one quote, Sammy praised Karl and dismissed Mark and Steve. Mark was not happy but Karl thought it was quite a compliment.



raidersam67
December 27, 2016 at 10:18:31 PM
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Posted By: Littlegame#1 on December 27 2016 at 01:17:31 PM

I know this is going to be a hot Topic. But who do you think is the best? I say Karl Kinser.. He could put anybody in his car and win back in the day. I feel Ricky is just as good in this era. Tough call. What do you all think? One thing for sure they both had Knoxville figured out.  



LMAO....REALLY??... karl NEVER had NASCAR $$ to back him....lets see ricky BUILD his OWN engines and WIN in the DAYTIME and WITHOUT a wing too before asking this!...SMH


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dirtlover
December 27, 2016 at 11:17:53 PM
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Posted By: HDsmoke20 on December 27 2016 at 07:12:37 PM

After Mark and Sammy wrecked at the Nationals in 97 and they were done with their finger pointing and whining, Sammy told Karl "If you and I teamed up, we'd never lose a race!" In one quote, Sammy praised Karl and dismissed Mark and Steve. Mark was not happy but Karl thought it was quite a compliment.



I'm talking about what Karl said in open wheel magazine........ keep this in mind also.....nobody beat Steve and Karl more then Sammy swindell 




bgtexpress
December 28, 2016 at 05:41:37 AM
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There have been many great ones in the history of Sprint Car racing.......but only ONE Karl Kinser. I still can not believe he just woke up one day and basically walked away from the sport and never looked back?



Charles Nungester
December 28, 2016 at 10:30:02 AM
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Posted By: bgtexpress on December 28 2016 at 05:41:37 AM

There have been many great ones in the history of Sprint Car racing.......but only ONE Karl Kinser. I still can not believe he just woke up one day and basically walked away from the sport and never looked back?



He didn't walk away from the sport, The sport walked away from him.
Please tell me what else he had to prove?

If there were more challenges to be had. He may have stayed.  From what I understand, he had cars ready to go for at least a couple years after.  But it would have taken a wadd of cash up front, rather than what they might win in return.

After winning everything with at least three drivers.  It's probably more challenging to him to bring a old hotrod back to life.



Nickules
December 28, 2016 at 11:30:36 AM
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Can't we just say they are both the best in their respective eras?  Two eras where things were vastly different.  Same argument in other sports.  Is Crosby better than Gretzky, etc., etc.  Both generational talents that are the best in their eras.  If you were able to experience both Karl and Ricky consider yourself lucky.  Same as if you were able to experience Steve Kinser at his height and Schatz right now. 




revjimk
December 28, 2016 at 01:42:13 PM
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Posted By: Nickules on December 28 2016 at 11:30:36 AM

Can't we just say they are both the best in their respective eras?  Two eras where things were vastly different.  Same argument in other sports.  Is Crosby better than Gretzky, etc., etc.  Both generational talents that are the best in their eras.  If you were able to experience both Karl and Ricky consider yourself lucky.  Same as if you were able to experience Steve Kinser at his height and Schatz right now. 



Obvious answer, but less fun to argue!



robertaltman
December 28, 2016 at 01:52:12 PM
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While they  are both good in what they do , I think Karl Kinser  is  tops .





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